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Semantic Annotations for WSDL WG teleconference

28 Nov 2006

Agenda

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Attendees

Present
AS, BNS, CB, CP, HL, JK, JF, JM, LF, LH, RA, TV
Regrets
CV, EP, JBD, MK
Chair
JacekK
Scribe
laurenth

Contents


approval of minutes

<JacekK> minutes of f2f http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/sawsdl/minutes/20061113

<JacekK> minutes of last call http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/sawsdl/minutes/20061121

both approved

action item review

action 1 SIOC

<scribe> ACTION: TomasV to talk to SIOC people and find out if SAWSDL is usable there [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/sawsdl/minutes/20061128#action01]

TomasV: SIOC will write a paragraph or two on how sawsdl could be used

jaceck: action item closed

action 2 for jaceck: remains open, see the XML schema people on friday

<scribe> ACTION: Jacek to coordinate with XML Schema Working Group whether we may emphasize (even in the title) that we annotate XML Schema. [PENDING] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/sawsdl/minutes/20061128#action02]

<scribe> ACTION: Rama and Amit to send suggestions for group page text (can reuse http://lsdis.cs.uga.edu/projects/meteor-s/SAWSDL/ ) [PENDING] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/sawsdl/minutes/20061128#action03]

<scribe> ACTION: Jacek to provide text on why we need to combine SPARQL with the other technologies in one direction and not the other. [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/sawsdl/minutes/20061128#action04]

<scribe> ACTION: Carlos to reply to SEE TC that WSMO capability should be on WSDL interface, therefore we wouldn't do service annotations, and see if they agree [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/sawsdl/minutes/20061128#action05]

<scribe> ACTION: Carlos to respond to issue LC 9 to SEE TC as well [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/sawsdl/minutes/20061128#action06]

<scribe> ACTION: Rama to formulate a reply to self on LC issues 14, 15 and 16 and seek agreement from original commentators [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/sawsdl/minutes/20061128#action07]

<scribe> ACTION: JacekK to summarize the implementations table into formalized CR criteria [PENDING] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/sawsdl/minutes/20061128#action08]

<scribe> ACTION: Eric to upgrade the SPDL page for SAWSDL readers and then work things out with the Usage Guide [PENDING] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/sawsdl/minutes/20061128#action09]

<scribe> ACTION: EricP to create a SAWSDL-independent namespace for attrExtensions [PENDING] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/sawsdl/minutes/20061128#action10]

<scribe> ACTION: Jacek to contact Karthik about issue 32 for him to contribute examples for the usage guide [PENDING] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/sawsdl/minutes/20061128#action11]

jacek: contacted, but action remains open until we hear back

<scribe> ACTION: Rama to send an email asking for contributions for issue 33 [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/sawsdl/minutes/20061128#action12]

administrivia

Joel accepts to review of the WS Policy specs

<JacekK> ACTION: Joel to review Last Call of WS-Policy specs (by Jan 9) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/sawsdl/minutes/20061128#action13]

jacek: the WG should send comments that are related to SAWSDL, others can be sent by Joel personally
... suggest to cancel three weeks of telcons (19.12., 26.12., 2.1.) - no objection!

document status

jacek: editors please check these both issues list for their "implemeted" status
... xml schema wg may be still reviewing our work.
... we expect to put more emphasis on the fact that we anoate schemas, not only wsdl

joel: some issues where resolved as "no action", and can be marked as implemeted

jacek: when an issue is implemented, please send an email

rama: 30 and 31 are closed

LC issue 5

<JacekK> my email at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-semann/2006Nov/0021.html

jacek: I read and then we discuss...

Jacek reads the email

jacek: realize that the sentences are long...
... intended as a basis for editor: can it be used as a basis for issue 5

holger: maybe to much geared towards rdf, should say that the case may be different for other semantic model languages

rama: there seems to be a lot of technologies required for schema mappings
... in fact, only three technos required to handle lowering

jacek: correct. We said that we have to clarify about the use of technos in combination or exclusively
... the spec text should clarify this: sparql is used to preprocess the rdf
... our reply to issue originator should optimally be some copy paste from the spec

rama: should clarify that the same technique applies to all cases with rdf clients

jacek: the last three paragrph should the most useful

joel: could be some preparatory material in the appendix

rama: I had similar explanations like that in the usage guide, but the current text seems better and could be inserted

jacek: seems that we have everything that is needed

joel: ok

RESOLUTION: LC issue 5 will be implemented by the editors to explain the relationships between the mapping technologies in our examples

LC issue 13

jacek: carlos showed interes, but could not work on it

laurent: way back I was proposing the use of "partial" SAWSDL files for external annotations

<JacekK> ACTION: Laurent to send some proposal for "partial SAWSDL files" in relation with LC issue 13 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/sawsdl/minutes/20061128#action14]

issue 32

jacek: can be skipped - waiting for a response

amit: we will have an example

issue 33

rama: two people have responded
... thomas and laura have examples
... will look at this with brahmananda
... will be a couple of weeks effort, hence wont be discussed at next telcon

jacek: we will mark the issue as "done" when there's some text in the usage guide

brahmananda: will forward the email

laura: ok for this too

jacek: anything before we close? hearing none!
... we can close

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Joel to review Last Call of WS-Policy specs (by Jan 9) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/sawsdl/minutes/20061128#action13]
[NEW] ACTION: Laurent to send some proposal for "partial SAWSDL files" in relation with LC issue 13 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/sawsdl/minutes/20061128#action14]
 
[PENDING] ACTION: Eric to upgrade the SPDL page for SAWSDL readers and then work things out with the Usage Guide [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/sawsdl/minutes/20061128#action09]
[PENDING] ACTION: EricP to create a SAWSDL-independent namespace for attrExtensions [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/sawsdl/minutes/20061128#action10]
[PENDING] ACTION: Jacek to contact Karthik about issue 32 for him to contribute examples for the usage guide [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/sawsdl/minutes/20061128#action11]
[PENDING] ACTION: Jacek to coordinate with XML Schema Working Group whether we may emphasize (even in the title) that we annotate XML Schema. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/sawsdl/minutes/20061128#action02]
[PENDING] ACTION: JacekK to summarize the implementations table into formalized CR criteria [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/sawsdl/minutes/20061128#action08]
[PENDING] ACTION: Rama and Amit to send suggestions for group page text (can reuse http://lsdis.cs.uga.edu/projects/meteor-s/SAWSDL/ ) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/sawsdl/minutes/20061128#action03]
 
[DONE] ACTION: Carlos to reply to SEE TC that WSMO capability should be on WSDL interface, therefore we wouldn't do service annotations, and see if they agree [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/sawsdl/minutes/20061128#action05]
[DONE] ACTION: Carlos to respond to issue LC 9 to SEE TC as well [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/sawsdl/minutes/20061128#action06]
[DONE] ACTION: Jacek to provide text on why we need to combine SPARQL with the other technologies in one direction and not the other. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/sawsdl/minutes/20061128#action04]
[DONE] ACTION: Rama to formulate a reply to self on LC issues 14, 15 and 16 and seek agreement from original commentators [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/sawsdl/minutes/20061128#action07]
[DONE] ACTION: Rama to send an email asking for contributions for issue 33 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/sawsdl/minutes/20061128#action12]
[DONE] ACTION: TomasV to talk to SIOC people and find out if SAWSDL is usable there [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/sawsdl/minutes/20061128#action01]