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<ericP> hmm, i was not invited
<ericP> does the chair mind if i lurk?
no problem eric, please join us
<ericP> tx pauld
pauld: relates progress in the WS-I WG
... preferred outcome?
george: ideal outcome is to have our practice enshired, but as usual practicalities with tools and what our customers want may lead to a different outcome being acceptable.
last weeks minutes approved
canvas of likely f2f participation for the Agenda
expecting WD publication soon
discussion of how we work
pauld: "basic" means "Known to work well with current toolkits" and really aimed at schema authors
pauld: "advanced" means "in widespread use and really no reason to not work well with toolkits"
jonc: and "Design Considerations"?
pauld: unhappy about "Design Considerations" becoming a bucket for "weasel words"
pauld: .. e.g. xs:choice doesn't work in Axis ADB and yet is a basic pattern
george: don't forget that Axis is used in many Websphere implementations
pauld: working on the assumption that doesn't work in .NET at least means *doesn't* fit into basic patterns
pauld: we'll enumerate the tools we're aware of subject to ACTION-19
jonc: happy to use the test report as a means of documenting the toolkits we actually used, rather than those we plan to use.
pauld: others can supply evidence of running our tests to get on the CR report
george: am building an example schema which contains patterns important to Origo
pauld: contribution of individual patterns most helpful in tracking issues and updating our document
pauld: been looking at other vertical schemas, hence last week's DOS attack on the issues list
pauld:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsd-databinding/2006May/0000
... am fairly unhappy with this proposal, feel we need some testing in this area may clarify matters for the Basic patterns
jonc: Design Consideration is again a little weak for an obvious problem with tools
george: we use a simple naming convention
... unaware of mapping mechanism in Axis or .NET
<scribe> ACTION: pdowney build test cases for ISSUE-10 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-databinding-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-37 - Build test cases for ISSUE-10 [on Paul Downey - due 2006-05-16].
jonc: test cases are a good way to document "anti-patterns"
pauld: these patterns don't prevent other patterns being added if they interoperate, e.g. multiple schema locations. Our experience is these patterns work well and are good enough.
RESOLUTION: ISSUE-39 closed with enclosed proposed patterns
pauld: took Basic Profile text on schema document encoding, makes sense if we're at least as restrictive, if not more so.
george: happy with this, we currently make use of ISO-8859-1, but expect to move to UTF-8 soon
RESOLUTION: close ISSUE-40 with enclosed proposal
george: unaware of issues with databinding and documentation elements
jonc: seen issues with a large WSDL documents and XMLSpy
pauld: would simple test cases help in this area?
<scribe> ACTION: pdowney to produce a documentation pattern test case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/09-databinding-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-38 - Produce a documentation pattern test case [on Paul Downey - due 2006-05-16].
pauld: version discussed in WSDL WG
jonc: does it change anything on the wire?
RESOLUTION: close ISSUE-42 with enclosed proposal
o2: been working on the automated test kits, making progress