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Results of Questionnaire Release "HTML 5" specification as a W3C Working Draft?
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This questionnaire was open from 2007-11-02 to 2007-11-09.
55 answers have been received.
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- Release "HTML 5" specification as a W3C Working Draft?
- Release "HTML 5 differences from HTML 4" specification as a W3C Working Draft as well?
1. Release "HTML 5" specification as a W3C Working Draft?
Shall we release HTML 5 as a W3C Working Draft? Specifically, the co-chairs (Dan Connolly and Chris Wilson) will choose between v1.310 (Nov 1 03:11:43 2007 UTC) and any later revisions from the editors this week.
See also Results of a recent survey which shows considerable support for publication.
If you're not familiar with the process of Working Draft publication, see the list of W3C working drafts, section 7.4.1 First Public Working Draft of the Process document, and the heartbeat requirement.
Section 3.3 Consensus in the W3C process defines consensus as a "substantial number" in support of a proposal and no formal objections. In this survey, you may indicate disagreement without formally objecting. An individual who registers a Formal Objection should cite technical arguments and propose changes that would remove the Formal Objection. Please put your arguments (or a pointer to your arguments) in the rationale field.
Summary
| Choice | All responders |
|---|---|
| Results | |
| Yes, agree | 43 |
| Abstain | 4 |
| No, disagree | 5 |
| Formally Object | 1 |
(2 responses didn't contain an answer to this question)
Details
| Responder | Release "HTML 5" specification as a W3C Working Draft? | Rationale | Comments |
|---|---|---|---|
| Google LLC (Ian Hickson) | Yes, agree | ||
| Opera Software AS (Anne van Kesteren) | Yes, agree | ||
| Mitsue-Links Co., Ltd. (Masataka Yakura) | Abstain | There's "Call for Comments" version of HTML 5 released by WHATWG in Oct. 26 (http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/2007-10-26/multipage/). Why not releasing that revision from HTML WG too? | |
| Apple Inc. (Adam Roben) | Yes, agree | ||
| Disruptive Innovations (Daniel Glazman) | Yes, agree | ||
| Invited Experts with Member Access | |||
| Mozilla Foundation (David Baron) | Yes, agree | ||
| Microsoft Corporation (Chris Wilson) | No, disagree | We have not had the discussion yet of whether everything in the current HTML5 spec is within our current charter. I believe that may have Patent Policy implications. | |
| International Webmasters Association (IWA) (Pasquale Popolizio) | Yes, agree | ||
| W3C Invited Experts | |||
| Sander van Lambalgen (Sander van Lambalgen) | Yes, agree | ||
| Dylan Smith (Dylan Smith) | Abstain | ||
| Michael Puls II (Michael Puls II) | Yes, agree | ||
| Marc Drumm (Marc Drumm) | Yes, agree | ||
| Terry Morris (Terry Morris) | Yes, agree | Fulfills the heartbeat requirement and informs the public. | I'm concerned about the number of attributes related to accessibility that are being dropped from HTML -- including accesskey, scope, headers, and summary. |
| Theresa O'Connor (Theresa O'Connor) | Yes, agree | ||
| Jason Lefkowitz (Jason Lefkowitz) | Yes, agree | A Working Draft would help catalyze discussion and move the process forward. | |
| Daniel Schattenkirchner (Daniel Schattenkirchner) | Yes, agree | ||
| Rick Mans (Rick Mans) | Yes, agree | ||
| Dannii Willis (Dannii Willis) | Yes, agree | ||
| Thomas Broyer (Thomas Broyer) | Yes, agree | ||
| Doug Wright (Doug Wright) | Yes, agree | ||
| Marghanita da Cruz (Marghanita da Cruz) | Yes, agree | ||
| Philip Taylor (Philip Taylor) | Yes, agree | ||
| Marek Pawlowski (Marek Pawlowski) | Yes, agree | Lot of work has been done. Let's inform people about it. Feedback is very important. | |
| Raphael Champeimont (Raphael Champeimont) | Yes, agree | ||
| Stephen Axthelm (Stephen Axthelm) | Yes, agree | ||
| Ben Boyle (Ben Boyle) | Yes, agree | ||
| Robert Marshall (Robert Marshall) | Yes, agree | ||
| Michaeljohn Clement (Michaeljohn Clement) | Yes, agree | ||
| Philip TAYLOR (Philip TAYLOR) | Formally Object | No, we have not yet agreed the Design Principles. Without those, the specification has no formal basis for existence, and premature publication could jeopardise the reputation of the Working Group. | |
| Dominik Tomaszuk (Dominik Tomaszuk) | No, disagree | I agree with Laura Carlson, Gregory Rosmaita, Philip TAYLOR and Roy Fielding's rationale. | |
| Shunsuke Kurumatani (Shunsuke Kurumatani) | Yes, agree | ||
| Brad Fults (Brad Fults) | Yes, agree | ||
| Shawn Medero (Shawn Medero) | Yes, agree | Much like my feelings about the Design Principles we need get these documents out into the public for broader discussion and awareness. | |
| Arthur Jennings (Arthur Jennings) | Yes, agree | ||
| David Håsäther (David Håsäther) | Yes, agree | ||
| James Graham (James Graham) | Yes, agree | ||
| Cameron McCormack (Cameron McCormack) | Yes, agree | Good to finally get something published to show progress outside the group, regardless of whether all of the details in the document are agreeable to everyone yet. The WHAT WG recently published a stable version of the spec (http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/2007-10-26/multipage/). It may be worth having our published version be based on that revision, to avoid confusion. | |
| Julian Reschke (Julian Reschke) | Abstain | ||
| Jens Oliver Meiert (Jens Oliver Meiert) | Yes, agree | ||
| Steve Faulkner (Steve Faulkner) | Yes, agree | ||
| Roy Fielding (Roy Fielding) | No, disagree | This draft has almost nothing to do with HTML. It is a treatise on browser behavior. That is a fine standard to have, but deserves a different title so that the folks who just want to implement HTML can do so without any of this operational/DOM nonsense. | |
| Asbjørn Ulsberg (Asbjørn Ulsberg) | Yes, agree | ||
| Sam Sneddon | Yes, agree | ||
| John-Mark Bell (John-Mark Bell) | Abstain | ||
| Weston Ruter (Weston Ruter) | Yes, agree | ||
| Josh Lawton (Josh Lawton) | Yes, agree | ||
| Ben Millard (Ben Millard) | Yes, agree | Fulfils the Heartbeat Requirement and makes clear what we are working on to the public. | |
| Laura Carlson (Laura Carlson) | No, disagree | I agree with Gregory Rosmaita, Philip TAYLOR and Roy Fielding's rationale. | |
| Dimitri Glazkov (Dimitri Glazkov) | Yes, agree | Releasing the working draft would put more eyeballs on the document and hopefully provide more insight on the next steps. | |
| Erik van Kempen (Erik van Kempen) | Yes, agree | ||
| Bill Mason (Bill Mason) | Yes, agree | ||
| Sean Fraser (Sean Fraser) | Yes, agree | ||
| Gregory Rosmaita (Gregory Rosmaita) | No, disagree | i agree with the comments of Roy Fielding that, as currently drafted, the HTML5 working draft is really quote a treatise on browser behavior unquote. i am also concerned by other respondents' suggestion that the WHAT WG's recently published (26 October 2007) quote stable version unquote of the spec (http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/2007-10-26/multipage/) be adopted wholesale by the HTML WG. while the WHAT WG is free to do what it wants, i -- and others -- have repeatedly asked that the W3C draft reflect the input of the HTML WG, not input to the WHAT WG -- if WHAT WG members want to comment on the W3C Draft, they should feel free to do so, but it is madness to have 2 competing drafts, especially one that is revised outside of W3C space and simply ported to W3C space based on revisions to which the HTML WG has little knowledge. the WHAT WG's draft does NOT reflect the consensus of the HTML WG and should not be imposed on the HTML WG. therefore, i am objecting to the release of the HTML5 Working Draft UNTIL such time as the editors and chairs acknowledge that there is only 1 draft of HTML5 that reflects (or is supposed to reflect) the work of the HTML WG so far. until the parallel development of the HTML5 draft is considered just another suggestion stream, rather than a call for consensus on a fait accompli, i will continue to vote against the release of the HTML5 working draft as a W3C draft, until there is but one draft from which EVERYONE, within and without the W3C, can work with the assurance that the issues they raise and the suggestions they make are based upon a single iteration of HTML5. feedback is, indeed, critical, but only if that feedback is shared with the HTML WG and informs the content of the document identified as a W3C working draft. | until the issue of the competing drafts is resolved, i cannot support release of the HTML5 draft. i am voting "no" rather than "formally objecting" because i trust the chairs and the Hypertext Coordination Group/Team to clarify the issue of parallel tracking and duplication of efforts once and for all before the end of the year, and i am not convinced that the best way to achieve that end is to formally object to the release of the W3C working draft of HTML5 -- i am convinced, however, that if the status quo persists, the HTML WG will never reach consensus, and that the number of formal objections lodged in straw polls and in posts to the chairs, editors, and list will grow exponentially. |
2. Release "HTML 5 differences from HTML 4" specification as a W3C Working Draft as well?
Shall we release HTML 5 differences from HTML 4 along with the HTML 5 specification as a W3C Working Draft? Specifically, revision 1.33 of 2007-10-22 11:17:20 plus any publication-related changes (e.g. status section, typos, broken links) agreed by the editor (Anne van Kesteren) and one of the co-chairs (Dan Connolly, Chris Wilson).
Summary
| Choice | All responders |
|---|---|
| Results | |
| Yes, agree | 45 |
| Abstain | 5 |
| No, disagree | 2 |
| Formally Object | 1 |
(2 responses didn't contain an answer to this question)
Details
| Responder | Release "HTML 5 differences from HTML 4" specification as a W3C Working Draft as well? | Rationale | Comments |
|---|---|---|---|
| Google LLC (Ian Hickson) | Yes, agree | ||
| Opera Software AS (Anne van Kesteren) | Yes, agree | ||
| Mitsue-Links Co., Ltd. (Masataka Yakura) | Yes, agree | ||
| Apple Inc. (Adam Roben) | Yes, agree | ||
| Disruptive Innovations (Daniel Glazman) | Yes, agree | I think this document is hyper-important and should absolutely be released formally if HTML5 is released itself as a WD. I don't care about WD status, or a Note or whatever. | |
| Invited Experts with Member Access | |||
| Mozilla Foundation (David Baron) | Yes, agree | Seems like this would help publicize the main points of what the group is doing. | |
| Microsoft Corporation (Chris Wilson) | Yes, agree | ||
| International Webmasters Association (IWA) (Pasquale Popolizio) | Yes, agree | ||
| W3C Invited Experts | |||
| Sander van Lambalgen (Sander van Lambalgen) | Yes, agree | ||
| Dylan Smith (Dylan Smith) | Abstain | ||
| Michael Puls II (Michael Puls II) | Yes, agree | ||
| Marc Drumm (Marc Drumm) | Yes, agree | ||
| Terry Morris (Terry Morris) | Yes, agree | Is a helpful introduction to the differences between HTML 4 and HTML 5. | |
| Theresa O'Connor (Theresa O'Connor) | Yes, agree | ||
| Jason Lefkowitz (Jason Lefkowitz) | Yes, agree | A differences document would help focus the discussion on the places where new work has been done. | |
| Daniel Schattenkirchner (Daniel Schattenkirchner) | Yes, agree | ||
| Rick Mans (Rick Mans) | Yes, agree | ||
| Dannii Willis (Dannii Willis) | Yes, agree | ||
| Thomas Broyer (Thomas Broyer) | Yes, agree | ||
| Doug Wright (Doug Wright) | Yes, agree | ||
| Marghanita da Cruz (Marghanita da Cruz) | Yes, agree | ||
| Philip Taylor (Philip Taylor) | Yes, agree | ||
| Marek Pawlowski (Marek Pawlowski) | Yes, agree | Lot of work has been done. Let's inform people about it. Feedback is very important. | |
| Raphael Champeimont (Raphael Champeimont) | Yes, agree | ||
| Stephen Axthelm (Stephen Axthelm) | Yes, agree | ||
| Ben Boyle (Ben Boyle) | Yes, agree | ||
| Robert Marshall (Robert Marshall) | Yes, agree | ||
| Michaeljohn Clement (Michaeljohn Clement) | Yes, agree | ||
| Philip TAYLOR (Philip TAYLOR) | Formally Object | See above. | |
| Dominik Tomaszuk (Dominik Tomaszuk) | Abstain | ||
| Shunsuke Kurumatani (Shunsuke Kurumatani) | Yes, agree | ||
| Brad Fults (Brad Fults) | Abstain | I'm not sure this document is useful in its current form, especially in light of the existing non-W3C version that already exists. It might be prudent to wait until after HTML5 has reached candidate rec status. | |
| Shawn Medero (Shawn Medero) | Yes, agree | This document is rather good shape, it was written well to begin with and the editing process seemed to go rather smoothly judging from the list traffic. I think this document will help dispel a lot of myths about HTML 5. | |
| Arthur Jennings (Arthur Jennings) | Yes, agree | ||
| David Håsäther (David Håsäther) | Yes, agree | ||
| James Graham (James Graham) | Yes, agree | ||
| Cameron McCormack (Cameron McCormack) | Yes, agree | ||
| Julian Reschke (Julian Reschke) | Abstain | ||
| Jens Oliver Meiert (Jens Oliver Meiert) | Yes, agree | ||
| Steve Faulkner (Steve Faulkner) | Yes, agree | ||
| Roy Fielding (Roy Fielding) | Yes, agree | ||
| Asbjørn Ulsberg (Asbjørn Ulsberg) | Yes, agree | ||
| Sam Sneddon | Yes, agree | ||
| John-Mark Bell (John-Mark Bell) | Abstain | ||
| Weston Ruter (Weston Ruter) | Yes, agree | ||
| Josh Lawton (Josh Lawton) | Yes, agree | ||
| Ben Millard (Ben Millard) | Yes, agree | Is a helpful introduction to HTML5's drafted feature set. | |
| Laura Carlson (Laura Carlson) | No, disagree | I agree with Gregory Rosmaita and Philip TAYLOR's rationale. | |
| Dimitri Glazkov (Dimitri Glazkov) | Yes, agree | This is a necessary supplement to the HTML5 working draft. | |
| Erik van Kempen (Erik van Kempen) | Yes, agree | ||
| Bill Mason (Bill Mason) | Yes, agree | ||
| Sean Fraser (Sean Fraser) | Yes, agree | ||
| Gregory Rosmaita (Gregory Rosmaita) | No, disagree | until we know what HTML5 actually IS, how can we compare it to HTML4x? |
More details on responses
- Google LLC: last responded on 2, November 2007 at 22:25 (UTC)
- Opera Software AS: last responded on 3, November 2007 at 00:38 (UTC)
- Mitsue-Links Co., Ltd.: last responded on 4, November 2007 at 23:57 (UTC)
- Apple Inc.: last responded on 5, November 2007 at 16:37 (UTC)
- Disruptive Innovations: last responded on 6, November 2007 at 16:23 (UTC)
- Invited Experts with Member Access: last responded on 8, November 2007 at 14:53 (UTC)
- Mozilla Foundation: last responded on 8, November 2007 at 23:24 (UTC)
- Microsoft Corporation: last responded on 9, November 2007 at 21:24 (UTC)
- International Webmasters Association (IWA): last responded on 9, November 2007 at 22:59 (UTC)
- W3C Invited Experts: last responded on 10, November 2007 at 04:54 (UTC)
- Sander van Lambalgen: last responded on 18, May 2009 at 13:21 (UTC)
- Dylan Smith: last responded on 18, May 2009 at 13:21 (UTC)
- Michael Puls II: last responded on 18, May 2009 at 13:21 (UTC)
- Marc Drumm: last responded on 18, May 2009 at 13:21 (UTC)
- Terry Morris: last responded on 18, May 2009 at 13:21 (UTC)
- Theresa O'Connor: last responded on 18, May 2009 at 13:21 (UTC)
- Jason Lefkowitz: last responded on 18, May 2009 at 13:21 (UTC)
- Daniel Schattenkirchner: last responded on 18, May 2009 at 13:21 (UTC)
- Rick Mans: last responded on 18, May 2009 at 13:21 (UTC)
- Dannii Willis: last responded on 18, May 2009 at 13:21 (UTC)
- Thomas Broyer: last responded on 18, May 2009 at 13:21 (UTC)
- Doug Wright: last responded on 18, May 2009 at 13:21 (UTC)
- Marghanita da Cruz: last responded on 18, May 2009 at 13:21 (UTC)
- Philip Taylor: last responded on 18, May 2009 at 13:21 (UTC)
- Marek Pawlowski: last responded on 18, May 2009 at 13:21 (UTC)
- Raphael Champeimont: last responded on 18, May 2009 at 13:21 (UTC)
- Stephen Axthelm: last responded on 18, May 2009 at 13:21 (UTC)
- Ben Boyle: last responded on 18, May 2009 at 13:21 (UTC)
- Robert Marshall: last responded on 18, May 2009 at 13:21 (UTC)
- Michaeljohn Clement: last responded on 18, May 2009 at 13:21 (UTC)
- Philip TAYLOR: last responded on 18, May 2009 at 13:21 (UTC)
- Dominik Tomaszuk: last responded on 18, May 2009 at 13:21 (UTC)
- Shunsuke Kurumatani: last responded on 18, May 2009 at 13:21 (UTC)
- Brad Fults: last responded on 18, May 2009 at 13:21 (UTC)
- Shawn Medero: last responded on 18, May 2009 at 13:21 (UTC)
- Arthur Jennings: last responded on 18, May 2009 at 13:21 (UTC)
- David Håsäther: last responded on 18, May 2009 at 13:21 (UTC)
- James Graham: last responded on 18, May 2009 at 13:21 (UTC)
- Cameron McCormack: last responded on 18, May 2009 at 13:21 (UTC)
- Julian Reschke: last responded on 18, May 2009 at 13:21 (UTC)
- Jens Oliver Meiert: last responded on 18, May 2009 at 13:21 (UTC)
- Steve Faulkner: last responded on 18, May 2009 at 13:21 (UTC)
- Roy Fielding: last responded on 18, May 2009 at 13:21 (UTC)
- Asbjørn Ulsberg: last responded on 18, May 2009 at 13:21 (UTC)
- Sam Sneddon: last responded on 18, May 2009 at 13:21 (UTC)
- John-Mark Bell: last responded on 18, May 2009 at 13:21 (UTC)
- Weston Ruter: last responded on 18, May 2009 at 13:21 (UTC)
- Josh Lawton: last responded on 18, May 2009 at 13:21 (UTC)
- Ben Millard: last responded on 18, May 2009 at 13:21 (UTC)
- Laura Carlson: last responded on 18, May 2009 at 13:21 (UTC)
- Dimitri Glazkov: last responded on 18, May 2009 at 13:21 (UTC)
- Erik van Kempen: last responded on 18, May 2009 at 13:21 (UTC)
- Bill Mason: last responded on 18, May 2009 at 13:21 (UTC)
- Sean Fraser: last responded on 18, May 2009 at 13:21 (UTC)
- Gregory Rosmaita: last responded on 18, May 2009 at 13:21 (UTC)
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