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This questionnaire was open from 2011-05-02 to 2011-05-24.
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A.3.1 [For the authoring tool user interface] Provide keyboard access to authoring features.
A.3.1.3 Keyboard Shortcuts: Keyboard shortcuts are provided.
MS39: A.3.1.3 Does a web-based authoring tool need to add short cut keys? That seems rather unnecessary and arbitrary. The value of short cut key is contextual. This proposal is too sweeping. Remove this success criterion.
AUWG: No (e.g., it could just have skip nav links etc.). This requirement has been clarified as follows: A.3.1.3 Efficient Keyboard Access: The authoring tool user interface includes mechanisms to make keyboard access more efficient than sequential keyboard navigation. (Level AA) [ADDRESSED]
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No Comment | 2 |
Concern (see comment) | 5 |
Responder | A.3.1 - MS39 | A.3.1 - MS39 Comments |
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Jeanne F Spellman | No Comment | |
Alex Li | Concern (see comment) | What if the interface only has a handful of form fields? Do we expect anything would be more efficient than sequential keyboard navigation? Skip links just give user one more thing to tab to in such cases. |
Jan Richards | Concern (see comment) | Reworded for clarity: AUWG: This requirement has been clarified as follows: A.3.1.3 Efficient Keyboard Access: The authoring tool user interface includes mechanisms to make keyboard access more efficient than sequential keyboard navigation. (Level AA) |
Alessandro Miele | Concern (see comment) | I agree with AUWG response. Just it could be more understandable to add at the end of the SC the sentence in the brakets: "(e.g. it could just have skip nav links etc.) |
Cherie Ekholm | Concern (see comment) | I'm not sure what this means. It's very vague and leaves open many way to pass the criterion. Seems like an advisory. |
Frederick Boland | Concern (see comment) | objective determinability/testability of "more efficient" than..? Is "keyboard access" sufficiently clarified/defined? I didn't notice a definition in latest ATAG2.0 draft.. |
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
A.3.1 [For the authoring tool user interface] Provide keyboard access to authoring features.
A.3.1.3 Keyboard Shortcuts: Keyboard shortcuts are provided.
MS40: Does it meet the success criterion if only two shortcuts are provided since there is no specification? In that case, it would be hard to find any product that would fail this success criterion (file save and quit application are almost always supported)—making this criterion meaningless. Remove this success criterion.
AUWG: No (e.g., it could just have skip nav links etc.). This requirement has been clarified as follows: A.3.1.3 Efficient Keyboard Access: The authoring tool user interface includes mechanisms to make keyboard access more efficient than sequential keyboard navigation. (Level AA) [ADDRESSED]
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No Comment | 5 |
Concern (see comment) | 2 |
Responder | A.3.1 - MS40 | A.3.1 - MS40 Comments |
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Jeanne F Spellman | No Comment | |
Alex Li | Concern (see comment) | keyboard shortcuts are generally used to speed up operations (copy, paste, formatting, submit, save, print, close, etc.) Here you are talking about navigation, which is a different animal. Is the success criteria about efficiency in general or only about navigation, which is one aspect of efficiency? |
Jan Richards | Concern (see comment) | AUWG: This requirement has been clarified as follows: A.3.1.3 Efficient Keyboard Access: The authoring tool user interface includes mechanisms to make keyboard access more efficient than sequential keyboard navigation. (Level AA) The commenter's point remains however because a single shortcut would by definition be more efficient than no shortcuts. But the group decided more prescriptive wording would not be appropriate and the spirit of the success criterion is clear. |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | See MS39 Comment |
Cherie Ekholm | No Comment | |
Frederick Boland | No Comment | |
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
A.3.1 [For the authoring tool user interface] Provide keyboard access to authoring features.
A.3.1.3 Keyboard Shortcuts: Keyboard shortcuts are provided.
GL23. MEDIUM: Keyboard shortcuts requirement is subjective. Re "A.3.1.3 Keyboard Shortcuts: Keyboard shortcuts are provided. (Level AA)" How many keyboard shortcuts? For which functions? I understand the need to be general, but because it is so general it does not seem objectively measurable, despite intention stated in "Understanding Levels of Conformance".
AUWG: No (e.g., it could just have skip nav links etc.). This requirement has been clarified as follows: A.3.1.3 Efficient Keyboard Access: The authoring tool user interface includes mechanisms to make keyboard access more efficient than sequential keyboard navigation. (Level AA) [ADDRESSED]
Choice | All responders |
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No Comment | 5 |
Concern (see comment) | 2 |
Responder | A.3.1 - GL23 | A.3.1 - MS40 Comments |
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Jeanne F Spellman | No Comment | |
Alex Li | Concern (see comment) | See MS40 |
Jan Richards | Concern (see comment) | AUWG: This requirement has been clarified as follows (removing language that appeared to imply accesskeys per se were required): A.3.1.3 Efficient Keyboard Access: The authoring tool user interface includes mechanisms to make keyboard access more efficient than sequential keyboard navigation. (Level AA) |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | See MS39 Comment |
Cherie Ekholm | No Comment | |
Frederick Boland | No Comment | |
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
A.3.1 [For the authoring tool user interface] Provide keyboard access to authoring features.
A.3.1.3 Keyboard Shortcuts: Keyboard shortcuts are provided.
IBM23: A.3.1.3 Keyboard shortcuts: This is an advisory, not a requirement, in WCAG 2.0 because it's just not testable in a useful way. As worded, you would technically pass this SC if you have at least two keyboard shortcuts but whether you have actually provided enough keyboard shortcuts to make something usable is highly subjective or requires extensive user testing. This will be a source of controversy with regards to compliance so it should mirror WCAG 2.0 and have this be an advisory technique for meeting A.3.1.1.
AUWG: No (e.g., it could just have skip nav links etc.). This requirement has been clarified as follows: A.3.1.3 Efficient Keyboard Access: The authoring tool user interface includes mechanisms to make keyboard access more efficient than sequential keyboard navigation. (Level AA) [ADDRESSED]
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No Comment | 4 |
Concern (see comment) | 2 |
(1 response didn't contain an answer to this question)
Responder | A.3.1 - IBM23 | A.3.1 - IBM23 Comments |
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Jeanne F Spellman | No Comment | |
Alex Li | Concern (see comment) | See MS40 |
Jan Richards | Concern (see comment) | AUWG: This requirement has been clarified as follows (removing language that appeared to imply accesskeys per se were required): A.3.1.3 Efficient Keyboard Access: The authoring tool user interface includes mechanisms to make keyboard access more efficient than sequential keyboard navigation. (Level AA) |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | See MS39 Comment |
Cherie Ekholm | ||
Frederick Boland | No Comment | |
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
A.3.1 [For the authoring tool user interface] Provide keyboard access to authoring features.
A.3.1.3 Keyboard Shortcuts: Keyboard shortcuts are provided.
IBM24: A.3.1.3., A.3.1.5 The techniques refer to all mobile devices having keyboard shortcuts. Is that accurate? Appears to be desktop centric, and not supportive current mobile devices.
AUWG: No (e.g., it could just have skip nav links etc.). This requirement has been clarified as follows: A.3.1.3 Efficient Keyboard Access: The authoring tool user interface includes mechanisms to make keyboard access more efficient than sequential keyboard navigation. (Level AA) [ADDRESSED]
Choice | All responders |
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No Comment | 4 |
Concern (see comment) | 3 |
Responder | A.3.1 - IBM24 | A.3.1 - IBM24 Comments |
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Jeanne F Spellman | Concern (see comment) | This answer does not address the mobile device issue and needs a separate answer. |
Alex Li | Concern (see comment) | I don't think the comment was addressed. There needs to be a condition statement in the SC. Need to insert condition statement in almost all SC, not just several SC. |
Jan Richards | Concern (see comment) | AUWG: This requirement has been clarified as follows (removing language that appeared to imply accesskeys per se were required): A.3.1.3 Efficient Keyboard Access: The authoring tool user interface includes mechanisms to make keyboard access more efficient than sequential keyboard navigation. (Level AA) |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | See MS39 Comment |
Cherie Ekholm | No Comment | |
Frederick Boland | No Comment | |
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
A.3.5 [For the authoring tool user interface] Provide text search of the content.
* A.3.5.1 Text Search: Authors can perform text searches of web content as follows:
(a) Search All Editable: Any information that is text and that the authoring tool can modify is searchable, including: text content, text alternatives for non-text content, metadata, markup elements and attributes; and
Note: If the current editing view is not able to display the results of a search, then the authoring tool may provide a mechanism to switch to a different editing view to display the results.
(b) Bi-Directional: The search can be made forwards or backwards; and
(c) Case Sensitive: The search can be in both case sensitive and case insensitive modes.
WCAGWG24: A.3.5.1 (b): To avoid confusion with bi-directional text, consider changing the short name of this item to "Two-way."
AUWG: This change has been made. [ADDRESSED]
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No Comment | 7 |
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Responder | A.3.5 - WCAGWG24 | A.3.5 - WCAGWG24 Comments |
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Jeanne F Spellman | No Comment | |
Alex Li | No Comment | |
Jan Richards | No Comment | |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | |
Cherie Ekholm | No Comment | |
Frederick Boland | No Comment | |
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
A.3.5 [For the authoring tool user interface] Provide text search of the content.
* A.3.5.1 Text Search: Authors can perform text searches of web content as follows:
(a) Search All Editable: Any information that is text and that the authoring tool can modify is searchable, including: text content, text alternatives for non-text content, metadata, markup elements and attributes; and
Note: If the current editing view is not able to display the results of a search, then the authoring tool may provide a mechanism to switch to a different editing view to display the results.
(b) Bi-Directional: The search can be made forwards or backwards; and
(c) Case Sensitive: The search can be in both case sensitive and case insensitive modes.
MS41: A.3.5.1 In many cases, this is carried out by the browser or the OS instead of the authoring tool. Does that mean the browsers and OS would be required as part of the conformance? Please explain how reliance on browser and OS are to be handled.
AUWG: Yes, the browser or OS would be involved. For example, in a wiki an authoring view might occur within a text area. I can use my browser's Edit>Find feature to search for terms inside that text area. If I choose to make conformance claim, the browser I tested with is a Required Component of the claim. [ADDRESSED]
Choice | All responders |
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No Comment | 6 |
Concern (see comment) | 1 |
Responder | A.3.5 - MS41 | A.3.5 - MS41 Comments |
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Jeanne F Spellman | No Comment | |
Alex Li | Concern (see comment) | Browsers are NOT authoring tools. There should be a pre-condition that the authoring tool must includes its own web content rendering interface that renders text for this SC to apply. Otherwise, this is essentially an UAAG SC. |
Jan Richards | No Comment | |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | |
Cherie Ekholm | No Comment | |
Frederick Boland | No Comment | |
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
A.3.5 [For the authoring tool user interface] Provide text search of the content.
* A.3.5.1 Text Search: Authors can perform text searches of web content as follows:
(a) Search All Editable: Any information that is text and that the authoring tool can modify is searchable, including: text content, text alternatives for non-text content, metadata, markup elements and attributes; and
Note: If the current editing view is not able to display the results of a search, then the authoring tool may provide a mechanism to switch to a different editing view to display the results.
(b) Bi-Directional: The search can be made forwards or backwards; and
(c) Case Sensitive: The search can be in both case sensitive and case insensitive modes.
GL4. HIGH: UAAG requirements for text search. "A.3.5.1 Text Search" lacks two search features required by UAAG: (1) "4.6.3 Match Found: When there is a match, the user is alerted and the viewport moves so that the matched text content is at least partially within it. The user can search for the next instance of the text from the location of the match." (2) "4.6.4 Alert on No Match: The user is notified when there is no match or after the last match in content (i.e., prior to starting the search over from the beginning of content). (Level A)"
AUWG: Alert on no match has been added to A.3.5.1 as "(d) No Match: Authors are informed when no results are found." [ADDRESSED]
Choice | All responders |
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No Comment | 5 |
Concern (see comment) | 2 |
Responder | A.3.5 - GL4 | A.3.5 - GL4 Comments |
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Jeanne F Spellman | No Comment | |
Alex Li | Concern (see comment) | This comments reafirms my comment per MS41. Leave it to UAAG to handle this. |
Jan Richards | No Comment | |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | |
Cherie Ekholm | Concern (see comment) | Good comment. What about the other situation - when there is a match? Is there no prescribed behavior? |
Frederick Boland | No Comment | |
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
A.3.5 [For the authoring tool user interface] Provide text search of the content.
* A.3.5.1 Text Search: Authors can perform text searches of web content as follows:
(a) Search All Editable: Any information that is text and that the authoring tool can modify is searchable, including: text content, text alternatives for non-text content, metadata, markup elements and attributes; and
Note: If the current editing view is not able to display the results of a search, then the authoring tool may provide a mechanism to switch to a different editing view to display the results.
(b) Bi-Directional: The search can be made forwards or backwards; and
(c) Case Sensitive: The search can be in both case sensitive and case insensitive modes.
OC7: -A.3.5 – It is not clear that this is specifically an accessibility requirement. Furthermore, it is not clear how one could implement this in practice, for example if the target of the search may be rendered in multiple user interfaces including modal dialogs. Lastly, ‘text that the authoring tool can modify' is too broad, because some of that text may only be available at ‘runtime', in which case it would be the responsibility of the user agent to account for this feature. We recommend that this guideline be made advisory
AUWG: While all users benefit, people who have difficulty using the keyboard benefit more. [ADDRESSED]
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No Comment | 6 |
Concern (see comment) | 1 |
Responder | A.3.5 - OC7 | A.3.5 - OC7 Comments |
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Jeanne F Spellman | No Comment | |
Alex Li | Concern (see comment) | I don't think we are answering the question here. The commenter is trying to say that the operation of text search can only be done at runtime for web applications. We should calify that the SC only applies to output of the authoring tool and only applies if the authoring tool has its own rendering interface. Otherwise, this SC is really the concern of the user agent, not authoring tool. |
Jan Richards | No Comment | |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | |
Cherie Ekholm | No Comment | |
Frederick Boland | No Comment | |
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
A.3.5 [For the authoring tool user interface] Provide text search of the content.
* A.3.5.1 Text Search: Authors can perform text searches of web content as follows:
(a) Search All Editable: Any information that is text and that the authoring tool can modify is searchable, including: text content, text alternatives for non-text content, metadata, markup elements and attributes; and
Note: If the current editing view is not able to display the results of a search, then the authoring tool may provide a mechanism to switch to a different editing view to display the results.
(b) Bi-Directional: The search can be made forwards or backwards; and
(c) Case Sensitive: The search can be in both case sensitive and case insensitive modes.
IBM30: A.3.5.1: the sub-bullets don't need "and" at the end of each one. And is implied by the wording of the parent provision because it doesn't say "one of the following"
AUWG: This is the WCAG 2.0 style. See IBM18. [ADDRESSED]
Choice | All responders |
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No Comment | 6 |
Concern (see comment) | 1 |
Responder | A.3.5 - IBM30 | A.3.5 - IBM30 Comments |
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Jeanne F Spellman | No Comment | |
Alex Li | No Comment | |
Jan Richards | Concern (see comment) | This is the WCAG 2.0 style in some places (2.2.1 Timing Adjustable, 2.2.2 Pause, Stop, Hide). |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | |
Cherie Ekholm | No Comment | |
Frederick Boland | No Comment | |
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
A.3.5 [For the authoring tool user interface] Provide text search of the content.
* A.3.5.1 Text Search: Authors can perform text searches of web content as follows:
(a) Search All Editable: Any information that is text and that the authoring tool can modify is searchable, including: text content, text alternatives for non-text content, metadata, markup elements and attributes; and
Note: If the current editing view is not able to display the results of a search, then the authoring tool may provide a mechanism to switch to a different editing view to display the results.
(b) Bi-Directional: The search can be made forwards or backwards; and
(c) Case Sensitive: The search can be in both case sensitive and case insensitive modes.
IBM31: A.3.5.1 Most browsers support text search and type ahead capability. Would this satisfy the checkpoint? If so, why is it not in the implementation section? Why do you confine searches to the editing view in this situation? Have you spoken to UAAG about requiring the feature of text searching. This would remove the burden from the author for web content.
AUWG: Browser features can be used (see MS41). Even if it were added to UAAG, it might not be implemented so it should stay in for now. [ADDRESSED]
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No Comment | 6 |
Concern (see comment) | 1 |
Responder | A.3.5 - IBM31 | A.3.5 - IBM31 Comments |
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Jeanne F Spellman | No Comment | |
Alex Li | Concern (see comment) | Since this is 99.9% the responsibility of user agent, it is best that we leave it to UAAG. |
Jan Richards | No Comment | |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | |
Cherie Ekholm | No Comment | |
Frederick Boland | No Comment | |
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
A.3.6 [For the authoring tool user interface] Manage preference settings.
A.3.6.2 Respect Platform Settings: The authoring tool respects platform display settings and control settings. Note: As per Success Criterion A.2.3.1, the author's display settings must still be independent of the web content being edited.
UAWG5: A.3.6.2: Broaden this to any settings that impact accessibility? If these definitions of "display settings" and "control settings" seem broad enough to possibly include all input or output preference settings;, it would be nice if one didn't have to take the links to the glossary to figure that out, and it's still somewhat ambiguous: would it include the option to hide or show alternative text? Also, an example of preference settings beyond display and control settings that still affect accessibility would be the option to turn on and off AT compatibility modes such as support for platform accessibility API.
AUWG: Broadened to: A.3.6.2 Save Settings: Authoring tool display settings and control settings can be saved between authoring sessions. (Level AA) [ADDRESSED]
Choice | All responders |
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No Comment | 6 |
Concern (see comment) | 1 |
Responder | A.3.6 - UAAG5 | A.3.6 - UAAG5 Comments |
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Jeanne F Spellman | No Comment | |
Alex Li | Concern (see comment) | The appropriate SC is now A.3.6.3, not A.3.6.2. |
Jan Richards | No Comment | |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | |
Cherie Ekholm | No Comment | |
Frederick Boland | No Comment | |
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
A.3.6 [For the authoring tool user interface] Manage preference settings.
A.3.6.1 Save Settings: The authoring tool display settings and control settings are saved between sessions.
MS42: A.3.6.1 There is some inconsistency here from A.3.1.4 where customization is set at AAA, but saving such setting is AA. Please consider moving this SC to AAA to maintain consistency.
AUWG: A.3.6.1 applies to more than just keystrokes. e.g., that I had set my default editing zoom to 150%. [ADDRESSED]
Choice | All responders |
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No Comment | 6 |
Concern (see comment) | 1 |
Responder | A.3.6 - MS42 | A.3.6 - MS42 Comments |
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Jeanne F Spellman | No Comment | |
Alex Li | Concern (see comment) | Please specify that there is a pre-condition in which this only applies if the tool has unique display and control settings. |
Jan Richards | No Comment | |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | |
Cherie Ekholm | No Comment | |
Frederick Boland | No Comment | |
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
A.3.6 [For the authoring tool user interface] Manage preference settings.
A.3.6.1 Save Settings: The authoring tool display settings and control settings are saved between sessions.
MS43: A.3.6.1 Change “…are saved…” to “…can be saved…”. The current wording implies that the tool will do so without user control. Please change wording as suggested.
AUWG: Agree to change. [ADDRESSED]
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No Comment | 7 |
Concern (see comment) |
Responder | A.3.6 - MS43 | A.3.6 - MS42 Comments |
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Jeanne F Spellman | No Comment | |
Alex Li | No Comment | |
Jan Richards | No Comment | |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | |
Cherie Ekholm | No Comment | |
Frederick Boland | No Comment | |
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
A.3.6 [For the authoring tool user interface] Manage preference settings.
A.3.6.2 Respect Platform Settings: The authoring tool respects platform display settings and control settings. Note: As per Success Criterion A.2.3.1, the author's display settings must still be independent of the web content being edited.
MS44: A.3.6.2 Please define "respects" or use more precise language. Please define "respects" or use more precise language
AUWG: "Respect" has been changed to "apply"(new numbering is A.3.6.3). [ADDRESSED]
Choice | All responders |
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No Comment | 6 |
Concern (see comment) | 1 |
Responder | A.3.6 - MS44 | A.3.6 - MS44 Comments |
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Jeanne F Spellman | No Comment | |
Alex Li | No Comment | |
Jan Richards | No Comment | |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | |
Cherie Ekholm | Concern (see comment) | Need to see the new wording. As stated here, it wouldn't be grammatical, and I'm not sure it makes sense. |
Frederick Boland | No Comment | |
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
A.3.6 [For the authoring tool user interface] Manage preference settings.
A.3.6.1 Save Settings: The authoring tool display settings and control settings are saved between sessions.
IBM32: A.3.6.1 Saving authoring tool display and keyboard settings. This seems onerous if you are doing rich web applications. It means you need to have some sort of RESTful service to stash this information. Local Data Storage does not show up until HTML 5 for the web. I am not aware of a web email clients (rich text editing capability) that supports this today.
AUWG: Most web applications with long-term users save any settings that they allow to be changed. e.g. if a theme is set, it is still in use when the user logs back in. [ADDRESSED]
Choice | All responders |
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No Comment | 6 |
Concern (see comment) | 1 |
Responder | A.3.6 - IBM32 | A.3.6 - IBM32 Comments |
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Jeanne F Spellman | No Comment | |
Alex Li | Concern (see comment) | I agree that this is asking a lot out of simple web sites. Look at this suvey, for example. Also, plese specify precondition that the SC only applies if the tool contains it own settings and that what is saved is its own setting, not the setting of a different product, such as that of the OS. |
Jan Richards | No Comment | |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | |
Cherie Ekholm | No Comment | |
Frederick Boland | No Comment | |
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
A.3.6 [For the authoring tool user interface] Manage preference settings.
# A.3.6.2 Respect Platform Settings: The authoring tool respects platform display settings and control settings.
Note: As per Success Criterion A.2.3.1, the author's display settings must still be independent of the web content being edited.
BM23: A.3.6.2 Web pages do not have access to keyboard control settings so what happens when you have a web page that acts like an authoring tool? At best you could implement best practices for a given platform but if customization goes on you are out of luck. Browsers have security walls put up to prevent you from asking OS specific information. Is there a plan to address this issue?
AUWG: A web application could allow the author to specify accesskeys. The success criterion simply requires that if the authoring tool allows the user to set a setting then that setting value should be saved for the next session. [ADDRESSED]
Choice | All responders |
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No Comment | 6 |
Concern (see comment) | 1 |
Responder | A.3.6 - IBM23 | A.3.6 - IBM23 Comments |
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Jeanne F Spellman | No Comment | |
Alex Li | Concern (see comment) | See above. |
Jan Richards | No Comment | |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | |
Cherie Ekholm | No Comment | |
Frederick Boland | No Comment | |
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
A.4.1 [For the authoring tool user interface] Help users avoid and correct mistakes.
A.4.1.3 Undo is Reversible: Authors can immediately reverse the most recent "undo" action(s).
GL17. MEDIUM: Level conflict between Undo and Undo Reversible. "A.4.1.3 Undo is Reversible: Authors can immediately reverse the most recent 'undo' action(s). (Level AA)" seems to conflict slightly with A.4.1.1 because the latter requires at Level A that all operations that change content be subject to an "undo" operation, while the former says that providing "undo" for an "undo" operation that changed content is only Level AA. You could fix this by explicitly exempting undo from the undo requirement, or by changing the level of the redo requirement, etc.
AUWG: This requirement has been combined with the main udo requirement with the addition of this note ("Note 1: Reversing actions (e.g. an "undo" function) are also considered authoring actions, meaning they must also meet this success criterion (e.g., a "redo" function). ").[ADDRESSED]
Choice | All responders |
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No Comment | 6 |
Concern (see comment) | 1 |
Responder | A.4.1 - GL17 | A.4.1 - GL17 Comments |
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Jeanne F Spellman | No Comment | |
Alex Li | No Comment | |
Jan Richards | Concern (see comment) | udo=>undo |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | |
Cherie Ekholm | No Comment | |
Frederick Boland | No Comment | |
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
A.4.1 [For the authoring tool user interface] Help users avoid and correct mistakes.
A.4.1.3 Undo is Reversible: Authors can immediately reverse the most recent "undo" action(s).
GL36. MINOR: AT also introduces errors. In "Implementing Guideline A.4.1: [For the authoring tool user interface] Help authors avoid and correct mistakes", the rationale could include not only people who have difficulty with fine motor control, but also those who rely on assistive technologies such as speech recognition, which introduce errors through misrecognition.
AUWG: This is a good addition. @@ADD
Choice | All responders |
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No Comment | 5 |
Concern (see comment) | 2 |
Responder | A.4.1 - GL36 | A.4.1 - GL17 Comments |
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Jeanne F Spellman | Concern (see comment) | Did this get added? |
Alex Li | No Comment | |
Jan Richards | No Comment | AUWG: This wording has been added. |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | |
Cherie Ekholm | Concern (see comment) | What's the exact addition? |
Frederick Boland | No Comment | |
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
A.4.2 [For the authoring tool user interface] Document the user interface including all accessibility features.
A.4.2.2 Document All Features: All features of the authoring tool are documented.
MS45: A.4.2.2 “All features” is too encompassing. Hidden features are common place. Besides, how is non-documented features affecting people with disabilities any more than those without disabilities. This SC is not at all related to accessibility. Please remove A.4.2.2
AUWG: We mean features the user can use. This is a AA requirement for people with cognitive disabilities, people who have difficulty exploring UIs, etc. [ADDRESSED]
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No Comment | 5 |
Concern (see comment) | 2 |
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Jeanne F Spellman | No Comment | |
Alex Li | Concern (see comment) | How is it possible to demonstrate that this SC is met? Take Outlook, for example, how do you know if we've documented every single feature? If there are features such as "God mode" that we don't want people to know, why would that impact PWD any differently? That was our original question. |
Jan Richards | No Comment | |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | |
Cherie Ekholm | Concern (see comment) | I don't see how this has been addressed. There's been no clarification in the wording. |
Frederick Boland | No Comment | |
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
A.4.2 [For the authoring tool user interface] Document the user interface including all accessibility features.
A.4.2.2 Document All Features: All features of the authoring tool are documented.
IBM37: A.4.2.2 Does this require statements of UAAG conformance?
AUWG: We do not understand this comment. [ADDRESSED]
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No Comment | 6 |
Concern (see comment) | 1 |
Responder | A.4.2 - IBM37 | A.4.2 - IBM37 Comments |
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Jeanne F Spellman | Concern (see comment) | Can we get a clarification from Sueann? Or we could state that we are not requiring UAAG conformance for documentation and put that in the intent somewhere. |
Alex Li | No Comment | |
Jan Richards | No Comment | |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | |
Cherie Ekholm | No Comment | |
Frederick Boland | No Comment | |
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
B.1.2 Ensure that the authoring tool preserves accessibility information.
B.1.2.4 Notification Prior to Deletion: If the authoring tool automatically deletes any author-generated content for any reason, then at least one of the following is true:
(a) Preserve Accessibility Information: The authoring tool only automatically deletes web content that it can detect is not accessibility information; or
(b) Notification Option: Authors have the option to receive notification before deletion; or
(c) No Deletion Option: Authors have the option to prevent automatic deletion by the authoring tool.
WCAGWG25: B.1.2.4(a) "Preserve Accessibility Information: The authoring tool only automatically deletes web content that it can detect is not accessibility information;" This is confusing. The non-accessible part of web content that is associated with the accessibility information should not be deleted.
AUWG: The preservation requirements have been reorganized. See WCAGWG15. [ADDRESSED]
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No Comment | 7 |
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Jeanne F Spellman | No Comment | |
Alex Li | No Comment | |
Jan Richards | No Comment | |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | |
Cherie Ekholm | No Comment | |
Frederick Boland | No Comment | |
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
B.1.2 Ensure that the authoring tool preserves accessibility information.
B.1.2.4 Notification Prior to Deletion: If the authoring tool automatically deletes any author-generated content for any reason, then at least one of the following is true:
(a) Preserve Accessibility Information: The authoring tool only automatically deletes web content that it can detect is not accessibility information; or
(b) Notification Option: Authors have the option to receive notification before deletion; or
(c) No Deletion Option: Authors have the option to prevent automatic deletion by the authoring tool.
WCAGWG26: B.1.2.4(b) "Notification Option: Authors have the option to receive notification before deletion;" Add "and are warned that this may result in web content accessibility problems in the output"
AUWG: The preservation requirements have been reorganized. See WCAGWG15. [ADDRESSED]
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No Comment | 6 |
Concern (see comment) | 1 |
Responder | B.1.2 - WCAGWG26 | B.1.2 - WCAGWG26 Comments |
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Jeanne F Spellman | Concern (see comment) | was the phrase added that WCAG requested? |
Alex Li | No Comment | |
Jan Richards | No Comment | |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | |
Cherie Ekholm | No Comment | |
Frederick Boland | No Comment | |
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
B.1.2 Ensure that the authoring tool preserves accessibility information.
B.1.2.3 Preserve Accessibility Information (Enhanced): Any accessibility information (up to WCAG 2.0 Level AAA) recognized in the input to any web content transformation is preserved as accessibility information in the output.
MS46: B.1.2.3 We suspect there is an error here where the accessibility information should be up to WCAG 2.0 Level AA, not AAA. There should also be a similar SC for AAA. Please change the SC language from “…WCAG 2.0 Level AAA…” to “…WCAG 2.0 Level AA…” Add a new SC to cover AAA
AUWG: The preservation requirements have been reorganized (with this multi-level comment worked in). See WCAGWG15. [ADDRESSED]
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No Comment | 7 |
Concern (see comment) |
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Jeanne F Spellman | No Comment | |
Alex Li | No Comment | |
Jan Richards | No Comment | |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | |
Cherie Ekholm | No Comment | |
Frederick Boland | No Comment | |
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
B.1.2 Ensure that the authoring tool preserves accessibility information.
B.1.2.3 Preserve Accessibility Information (Enhanced): Any accessibility information (up to WCAG 2.0 Level AAA) recognized in the input to any web content transformation is preserved as accessibility information in the output.
MS47: B.1.2 How does this apply to something like a copy and paste operation from a rich text editor to a plain text editor where structural info will be lost? Who is supposed to tell the author that the structure is gone? Please explain how the SC applies to copy-and-paste or cut-and-paste operations?
AUWG: The preservation requirements have been reorganized. See WCAGWG15. [ADDRESSED]
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No Comment | 5 |
Concern (see comment) | 2 |
Responder | B.1.2 - MS47 | B.1.2 - MS47 Comments |
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Jeanne F Spellman | No Comment | |
Alex Li | Concern (see comment) | I don't see how WCAGWG15 resolves this. |
Jan Richards | No Comment | |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | |
Cherie Ekholm | Concern (see comment) | Given that we are a long way from WCAGWG15 in this questionnaire, it would have been helpful to have had this new wording pulled into here so that we didn't have to go hunt for it. |
Frederick Boland | No Comment | |
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
B.1.2 Ensure that the authoring tool preserves accessibility information.
B.1.2.4 Notification Prior to Deletion: If the authoring tool automatically deletes any author-generated content for any reason, then at least one of the following is true:
(a) Preserve Accessibility Information: The authoring tool only automatically deletes web content that it can detect is not accessibility information; or
(b) Notification Option: Authors have the option to receive notification before deletion; or
(c) No Deletion Option: Authors have the option to prevent automatic deletion by the authoring tool.
WCAGWG25: B.1.2.4(a) "Preserve Accessibility Information: The authoring tool only automatically deletes web content that it can detect is not accessibility information;" This is confusing. The non-accessible part of web content that is associated with the accessibility information should not be deleted.
AUWG: The preservation requirements have been reorganized. See WCAGWG15. [ADDRESSED]
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No Comment | 5 |
Concern (see comment) | 1 |
(1 response didn't contain an answer to this question)
Responder | B.1.2 - MS48 | B.1.2 - MS48 Comments |
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Jeanne F Spellman | No Comment | |
Alex Li | Concern (see comment) | Not sure if this is for WCAGWG25 or MS48. If it is MS48, my question still stands. But I can leave it till implementation. Be ready for not able to find any implementation of the conditions. |
Jan Richards | No Comment | |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | |
Cherie Ekholm | ||
Frederick Boland | No Comment | |
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
B.1.2 Ensure that the authoring tool preserves accessibility information.
B.1.2.3 Preserve Accessibility Information (Enhanced): Any accessibility information (up to WCAG 2.0 Level AAA) recognized in the input to any web content transformation is preserved as accessibility information in the output.
IBM41: B.1.2.3 - Why is the AA requirement to preserve accessibility information up to WCAG 2.0 Level AAA? It should only be up to Level AA. If Level AAA is required, there should be another provision.
AUWG: The preservation requirements have been reorganized. See WCAGWG15. [ADDRESSED]
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No Comment | 5 |
Concern (see comment) |
(2 responses didn't contain an answer to this question)
Responder | B.1.2 - IBM41 | B.1.2 - IBM41 Comments |
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Jeanne F Spellman | ||
Alex Li | No Comment | |
Jan Richards | No Comment | |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | |
Cherie Ekholm | ||
Frederick Boland | No Comment | |
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
B.1.2 Ensure that the authoring tool preserves accessibility information.
B.1.2.3 Preserve Accessibility Information (Enhanced): Any accessibility information (up to WCAG 2.0 Level AAA) recognized in the input to any web content transformation is preserved as accessibility information in the output.
IBM43: B.1.2.4 Most if not all information is accessibility information. If I export a file to PDF are you going to interrupt the user ever time it runs into an unsupported feature in the target document format? This seems unrealistic. For example, text is important to accessibility as is alt text. I think accessibility information needs expansion for that reason. Also what about labels and live region support - any accessibility property.
AUWG: The preservation requirements have been reorganized. See WCAGWG15. [ADDRESSED]
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No Comment | 5 |
Concern (see comment) | 1 |
(1 response didn't contain an answer to this question)
Responder | B.1.2 - IBM43 | B.1.2 - IBM43 Comments |
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Jeanne F Spellman | Concern (see comment) | Has this been addressed? Especially labels and live region support. |
Alex Li | No Comment | |
Jan Richards | No Comment | |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | |
Cherie Ekholm | ||
Frederick Boland | No Comment | |
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
B.1.3 Ensure that automatically generated content is accessible
* B.1.3.2 Accessible Auto-Generated Content (Level AA): If the authoring tool automatically generates content, then that web content conforms to WCAG 2.0 Level AA prior to publishing.
Note: This success criterion only applies to the automated behavior specified by the authoring tool developer. It does not apply when actions of authors prevent generation of accessible web content (e.g., authors might set less strict preferences, ignore prompts for accessibility information, provide faulty accessibility information, write their own automated scripts, etc.).
JR: Should be B.1.3.2 Accessible Auto-Generated Content (WCAG Level AA)
AUWG: Re-organized instead. [ADDRESSED]
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No Comment | 4 |
Concern (see comment) | 1 |
(2 responses didn't contain an answer to this question)
Responder | B.1.3 - | B.1.3 - Comments |
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Jeanne F Spellman | ||
Alex Li | ||
Jan Richards | No Comment | |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | |
Cherie Ekholm | Concern (see comment) | Reorganized how? Where? |
Frederick Boland | No Comment | |
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
B.2.2 Assist authors in checking for accessibility problems.
B.2.2.7 Metadata Production: Authors have the option of associating accessibility checking results with the web content as metadata. (Level AA) Note: The metadata format that is implemented will dictate the nature of the associated results (e.g., low-level check results, high-level conformance claims, etc.)
MS49: B.2.2.7 This SC belongs to AAA. Move SC to AAA.
AUWG: The WG has decided that this is AA. The metadata might be as simple as a single WCAG conformance level value. [ADDRESSED]
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No Comment | 5 |
Concern (see comment) | 1 |
(1 response didn't contain an answer to this question)
Responder | B.2.2 - MS49 | B.2.2 - MS49 Comments |
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Jeanne F Spellman | ||
Alex Li | Concern (see comment) | This SC is problematic. There is no definition for metadata. Having an "option of associating..." means that there needs to be another option of "not assciating...", which does not make sense. If the objective is to make the association, why does it matter if metadata is used or not? This is a AAA SC. |
Jan Richards | No Comment | |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | |
Cherie Ekholm | No Comment | |
Frederick Boland | No Comment | |
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
B.2.2 Assist authors in checking for accessibility problems.
B.2.2.6 Status Report: Authors can receive an accessibility status report based on the results of the accessibility checks. Note: The format of the accessibility status is not specified. For example, the status might be a listing of problems detected or a WCAG 2.0 conformance level, etc.
GL28. MEDIUM: Clarify minimum requirements for Status Report. "Implementing Success Criterion B.2.2.6 Status Report" again could better clarify the minimum requirements for conforming. For example, if the user chooses a menu command to check the document and it provides a dialog box listing the errors and potential errors, but provides no way to save or print that information, does that still count as a "report"? What if the dialog box only shows one error or potential error, and the user has to press a "Next" button to display each successive point?
AUWG: Your point is taken, but at some point we can't control bad UI design. [ADDRESSED]
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No Comment | 6 |
Concern (see comment) |
(1 response didn't contain an answer to this question)
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Jeanne F Spellman | ||
Alex Li | No Comment | |
Jan Richards | No Comment | |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | |
Cherie Ekholm | No Comment | |
Frederick Boland | No Comment | |
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
B.2.2 Assist authors in checking for accessibility problems.
B.2.2.7 Metadata Production: Authors have the option of associating accessibility checking results with the web content as metadata. (Level AA) Note: The metadata format that is implemented will dictate the nature of the associated results (e.g., low-level check results, high-level conformance claims, etc.)
GL29. MEDIUM: Clarify minimum requirements for Metadata Production. "Implementing Success Criterion B.2.2.7 Metadata Production" could clarify whether saying the results must be stored "with the web content as metadata" means it must be stored in the file (e.g. as markup in the HTML document) or whether it can be separate (e.g. in the tool's database or in separate report files). If the latter, then it's hard to see how it differs from the requirement to make a report of test results available, other than that this might require it to be machine-readable and parsable using a documented format, instead of only human-readable text.
AUWG: As you say, metadata is machine readable and parsable, whether or not it is human readable. [ADDRESSED]
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No Comment | 6 |
Concern (see comment) |
(1 response didn't contain an answer to this question)
Responder | B.2.2 - GL29 | B.2.2 - GL29 Comments |
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Jeanne F Spellman | ||
Alex Li | No Comment | |
Jan Richards | No Comment | |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | |
Cherie Ekholm | No Comment | |
Frederick Boland | No Comment | |
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
B.2.2 Assist authors in checking for accessibility problems.
B.2.2.7 Metadata Production: Authors have the option of associating accessibility checking results with the web content as metadata. (Level AA) Note: The metadata format that is implemented will dictate the nature of the associated results (e.g., low-level check results, high-level conformance claims, etc.)
OC23: -B.2.2.7 – We recommend making this Level AAA.
AUWG: The WG has decided that this is AA. The metadata might be as simple as a single WCAG conformance level value. [ADDRESSED]
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No Comment | 3 |
Concern (see comment) | 1 |
(3 responses didn't contain an answer to this question)
Responder | B.2.2 - OC23 | B.2.2 - OC23 Comments |
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Jeanne F Spellman | ||
Alex Li | ||
Jan Richards | No Comment | |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | |
Cherie Ekholm | Concern (see comment) | There are at least three comments here that the AA level should be changed to AAA or that metadata is subjective. Seems that it needs to be discussed again. |
Frederick Boland | ||
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
B.2.2 Assist authors in checking for accessibility problems.
B.2.2.6 Status Report: Authors can receive an accessibility status report based on the results of the accessibility checks. Note: The format of the accessibility status is not specified. For example, the status might be a listing of problems detected or a WCAG 2.0 conformance level, etc.
IBM53: B.2.2.6 Difficult to have a web email client or a wiki provide a status report on accessibility of dynamic content. There is value, but this is a significant requirement, should be AAA and configurable.
AUWG: If the checker can perform the check, it does not seem too difficult to produce some form of report. [ADDRESSED]
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No Comment | 4 |
Concern (see comment) |
(3 responses didn't contain an answer to this question)
Responder | B.2.2 - IBM53 | B.2.2 - IBM53 Comments |
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Jeanne F Spellman | ||
Alex Li | ||
Jan Richards | No Comment | |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | |
Cherie Ekholm | No Comment | |
Frederick Boland | ||
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
B.2.2 Assist authors in checking for accessibility problems.
B.2.2.7 Metadata Production: Authors have the option of associating accessibility checking results with the web content as metadata. (Level AA) Note: The metadata format that is implemented will dictate the nature of the associated results (e.g., low-level check results, high-level conformance claims, etc.)
IBM54: B.2.2.7 Need more concrete examples of using metadata here. Metadata is very abstract.
AUWG: This requirement is intended to be open to a variety of implementations. The main point is to encourage the use of metadata, of any kind, to store and convey checking results. [ADDRESSED]
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No Comment | 3 |
Concern (see comment) | 1 |
(3 responses didn't contain an answer to this question)
Responder | B.2.2 - IBM54 | B.2.2 - IBM54 Comments |
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Jeanne F Spellman | ||
Alex Li | ||
Jan Richards | No Comment | |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | |
Cherie Ekholm | Concern (see comment) | Most standards that specify metadata use recommend or require specific metadata that needs to be stored/used. Why would ATAG be different? |
Frederick Boland | ||
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
B.2.4 Assist authors with managing alternative content for non-text content.
B.2.4.4 Save for Reuse: Authors have the option of having any recognized plain text alternative content that they enter (e.g., short text labels, long descriptions) stored for future reuse.
MS50: B.2.4.4 This SC seems extraneous. If text alternative can be accessed, then obviously it can be reused. If nothing, at least delete “for future reuse.” since it represents future event which is unverifiable at the time of conformance claim. Consider deleting the SC or at least delete “for future use.”
AUWG: Reworded for clarity: B.2.3.4 Save for Reuse: When authors enter programmatically associated text alternatives for non-text content, both of the following are true: (Level AAA) (a) Save and Suggest: the text alternatives are automatically saved and suggested by the authoring tool, if the same non-text content is reused; and (b) Edit Option: the author has the option to edit or delete the saved text alternatives.[ADDRESSED]
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No Comment | 4 |
Concern (see comment) | 1 |
(2 responses didn't contain an answer to this question)
Responder | B.2.4 - MS50 | B.2.4 - MS50 Comments |
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Jeanne F Spellman | ||
Alex Li | Concern (see comment) | When you say "automatically saved and suggested", do you mean that there should be an automatic file saving operation? If not, exactly what is being "saved"? If so, I think this is against most people's expectation of when file save should occur. |
Jan Richards | No Comment | |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | |
Cherie Ekholm | No Comment | |
Frederick Boland | ||
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
B.2.4 Assist authors with managing alternative content for non-text content.
B.2.4.4 Save for Reuse: Authors have the option of having any recognized plain text alternative content that they enter (e.g., short text labels, long descriptions) stored for future reuse.
GL30. MEDIUM: Clarify minimum requirements for Save for Reuse. "B.2.4.4 Save for Reuse: Authors have the option of having any recognized plain text alternative content that they enter (e.g., short text labels, long descriptions) stored for future reuse. (Level AA)" does not make it clear whether the content strings need to be associated with the original content (e.g. with the image), or that the user should be able to delete obsolete or erroneous entries to keep the list from becoming unwieldy. I worry that a simple way of complying is just to have a single, ever-growing list of previously used strings that can quickly change from useful to detrimental (like Thunderbird's list of recipients), so even if the minimum is left vague, I recommend at least providing some guidance or best practices.
AUWG: Reworded for clarity: B.2.3.4 Save for Reuse: When authors enter programmatically associated text alternatives for non-text content, both of the following are true: (Level AAA) (a) Save and Suggest: the text alternatives are automatically saved and suggested by the authoring tool, if the same non-text content is reused; and (b) Edit Option: the author has the option to edit or delete the saved text alternatives.[ADDRESSED]
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No Comment | 4 |
Concern (see comment) |
(3 responses didn't contain an answer to this question)
Responder | B.2.4 - GL30 | B.2.4 - GL30 Comments |
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Jeanne F Spellman | ||
Alex Li | ||
Jan Richards | No Comment | |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | |
Cherie Ekholm | No Comment | |
Frederick Boland | ||
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
B.2.4 Assist authors with managing alternative content for non-text content.
B.2.4.4 Save for Reuse: Authors have the option of having any recognized plain text alternative content that they enter (e.g., short text labels, long descriptions) stored for future reuse.
OC26: -B.2.4.4 – We recommend making this Level AAA as this is applies equally to non- accessibility related content and moves into a product usability feature.
AUWG: it has been moved to AAA. See response for MS50. Reworded for clarity: B.2.3.4 Save for Reuse: When authors enter programmatically associated text alternatives for non-text content, both of the following are true: (Level AAA) (a) Save and Suggest: the text alternatives are automatically saved and suggested by the authoring tool, if the same non-text content is reused; and (b) Edit Option: the author has the option to edit or delete the saved text alternatives.[ADDRESSED]
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No Comment | 4 |
Concern (see comment) |
(3 responses didn't contain an answer to this question)
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Jeanne F Spellman | ||
Alex Li | No Comment | |
Jan Richards | No Comment | |
Alessandro Miele | ||
Cherie Ekholm | No Comment | |
Frederick Boland | ||
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
B.2.5 Assist authors with accessible templates and other pre-authored content.
B.2.5.6 Pre-Authored Content Selection Mechanism: If authors are provided with a selection mechanism for pre-authored content other than templates (e.g., clip art gallery, widget repository, design themes), then both of the following are true:
(a) Indicate: The selection mechanism indicates the accessibility status of the pre-authored content (if known); and
(b) Prominence: Any accessible options are at least as prominent as other pre-authored content options.
GG7: B2.5.6 Pre-Authored Content: Also see B2.5.8 below - Who decides on the accessibility status of pre-authored content, which may be user provided. In note (a) the words "Indicate" and "if known" provides a loophole that would allow tools to ignore this guideline. If none of the pre-authored content is reviewed for accessibility, developers can pass this requirement by omitting the accessibility status.
AUWG: This is now B.2.5.1. The accessibility might be determined by a checking mechanism and recorded with metadata. [ADDRESSED]
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No Comment | 3 |
Concern (see comment) | 1 |
(3 responses didn't contain an answer to this question)
Responder | B.2.5 - GG7 | B.2.5 - GG7 Comments |
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Jeanne F Spellman | ||
Alex Li | ||
Jan Richards | No Comment | |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | |
Cherie Ekholm | Concern (see comment) | "might" and arbitrary metadata don't help accessibility. |
Frederick Boland | ||
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
B.2.5 Assist authors with accessible templates and other pre-authored content.
B.2.5.4 Template Selection Mechanism: If authors are provided with a template selection mechanism, then both of the following are true:
(a) Indicate: The selection mechanism indicates the accessibility status of templates (if known); and
(b) Prominence: Any accessible template options are at least as prominent as other template options.
UAWG6: B.2.5.4: The definition for prominence says in part: For purposes of conformance to ATAG 2.0, item A is considered to be at least as prominent as item B if: both items occur in the same item container (e.g., a menu for menu items, a list for list items, a dialog box for text boxes); if item B is emphasized, then so is item A; so if the accessible option is at the bottom of a menu separated from the less accessible option by 10 entires, this is acceptable? If the list has 25 items and the user must scroll to see the accessible option, is this then acceptable? Off the topic somewhat, but the question of whether accessible options should be displayed as prominently as, and/or in proximity to, their inaccessible counterparts applies to more things than just templates (for example, a list of schemes).
AUWG: It is not perfect, but it is very difficult to get more prescriptive about the order within a container because the order is dependent on so many factors. [ADDRESSED]
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No Comment | 4 |
Concern (see comment) |
(3 responses didn't contain an answer to this question)
Responder | B.2.5 - UAWG6 | B.2.5 - UAWG6 Comments |
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Jeanne F Spellman | ||
Alex Li | ||
Jan Richards | No Comment | |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | |
Cherie Ekholm | No Comment | |
Frederick Boland | ||
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
B.2.5 Assist authors with accessible templates and other pre-authored content.
B.2.5.4 Template Selection Mechanism: If authors are provided with a template selection mechanism, then both of the following are true:
(a) Indicate: The selection mechanism indicates the accessibility status of templates (if known); and
(b) Prominence: Any accessible template options are at least as prominent as other template options.
MS51: B.2.5.4 If all templates are equally accessible, why would this be necessary or beneficial? There seems to be an assumption here that the templates are not all of similar accessibility status. Revise the SC
AUWG: User created templates could be less accessible and require this feature to distinguish them. [ADDRESSED]
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No Comment | 4 |
Concern (see comment) | 1 |
(2 responses didn't contain an answer to this question)
Responder | B.2.5 - MS51 | B.2.5 - MS51 Comments |
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Jeanne F Spellman | ||
Alex Li | Concern (see comment) | How can a tool be held responsible for user generated template? You are asking tool to make differentiation. There needs to be pre-condition that differentiation exist in order for this SC to apply. |
Jan Richards | No Comment | |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | |
Cherie Ekholm | No Comment | |
Frederick Boland | ||
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
B.2.5 Assist authors with accessible templates and other pre-authored content.
B.2.5.4 Template Selection Mechanism: If authors are provided with a template selection mechanism, then both of the following are true:
(a) Indicate: The selection mechanism indicates the accessibility status of templates (if known); and
(b) Prominence: Any accessible template options are at least as prominent as other template options.
MS52: B.2.5.4 Please provide examples of how one goes about indicating the accessibility status of a template. How much detail is needed? Please provide instruction of the level of detail required to indicate template accessibility status.
AUWG: There are multiple ways this might be achieved. Two possibilities are mentioned in the examples (e.g. accessibility status as a sortable field, WCAG 2.0 conformance level included in its name). Checking is also mentioned, in which case the metadata produced when meeting "B.3.1.5 Metadata Production" might be used. [ADDRESSED]
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Jeanne F Spellman | ||
Alex Li | ||
Jan Richards | No Comment | |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | |
Cherie Ekholm | No Comment | |
Frederick Boland | ||
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
B.2.5 Assist authors with accessible templates and other pre-authored content.
B.2.5.4 Template Selection Mechanism: If authors are provided with a template selection mechanism, then both of the following are true:
(a) Indicate: The selection mechanism indicates the accessibility status of templates (if known); and
(b) Prominence: Any accessible template options are at least as prominent as other template options.
MS53: B.2.5.4 What happens when there is a large variety of template of all different sorts? The language suggests that the “accessible” option must take precedence regardless of other logical grouping. Please change the SC to account for other logical grouping of templates.
AUWG: At least as prominent is not the same as taking precedence. @@ADD note to prominence on logical groupings.
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Jeanne F Spellman | ||
Alex Li | No Comment | |
Jan Richards | No Comment | |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | |
Cherie Ekholm | No Comment | |
Frederick Boland | ||
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
B.2.5 Assist authors with accessible templates and other pre-authored content.
B.2.5.4 Template Selection Mechanism: If authors are provided with a template selection mechanism, then both of the following are true:
(a) Indicate: The selection mechanism indicates the accessibility status of templates (if known); and
(b) Prominence: Any accessible template options are at least as prominent as other template options.
MS54: B.2.5.4 The term “…accessible template options” implies that there is a distinction of “accessible template” and “non-accessible” template. How does one go about making such distinction? Without an exact definition, this SC is not testable. Please provide a structured way to indicate accessibility status of templates and how to go about showing prominence of template of various (or equal) status.
AUWG: This issue has been moved to a new defined term: Accessible template, which is defined as:
Templates that the author or authoring tool can use to create web content that meets the WCAG 2.0 success criteria at a particular level (Level A, AA or AAA) under both of the following conditions:
- Authors correctly follow the minimum instructions associated with the template, including providing complete and correct information when requested (e.g., by responding to prompts, replacing highlighted placeholders, etc.); and
- No further authoring occurs (e.g., a "blank" document template would be assessed only on the basis of the resulting blank web content)[ADDRESSED]
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Jeanne F Spellman | ||
Alex Li | Concern (see comment) | What is "minimum instructions"? |
Jan Richards | No Comment | |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | |
Cherie Ekholm | No Comment | |
Frederick Boland | ||
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
B.2.5 Assist authors with accessible templates and other pre-authored content.
B.2.5.5 New Templates: If authors can use the authoring tool to create new templates for use by a template selection mechanism, they have the option to record the accessibility status of the new templates.
MS55: B.2.5.5 This SC assumes that author is given freedom to create templates with different degree of accessibility. The assumption is not always valid. Please address the scenario in which author has no freedom to change accessibility of a template.
AUWG: Agreed, but in cases where the result is always accessible, this would seem to simplify the task of labeling it as such. [ADDRESSED]
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Jeanne F Spellman | ||
Alex Li | Concern (see comment) | Tools should not be wasting screen real estate to label everything as "accessible" when that is the case. Add pre-condition that only if there is a differentiation when this SC apply. |
Jan Richards | No Comment | |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | |
Cherie Ekholm | Concern (see comment) | |
Frederick Boland | ||
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
B.2.5 Assist authors with accessible templates and other pre-authored content.
B.2.5.6 Pre-Authored Content Selection Mechanism: If authors are provided with a selection mechanism for pre-authored content other than templates (e.g., clip art gallery, widget repository, design themes), then both of the following are true:
(a) Indicate: The selection mechanism indicates the accessibility status of the pre-authored content (if known); and
(b) Prominence: Any accessible options are at least as prominent as other pre-authored content options.
MS56: B.2.5.6 All comments from 2.5.4 apply equally. Please reference comments from B.2.5.4
AUWG: See responses above.[ADDRESSED]
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Jeanne F Spellman | ||
Alex Li | No Comment | |
Jan Richards | No Comment | |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | |
Cherie Ekholm | ||
Frederick Boland | ||
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
B.2.5 Assist authors with accessible templates and other pre-authored content.
B.2.5.4 Template Selection Mechanism: If authors are provided with a template selection mechanism, then both of the following are true:
(a) Indicate: The selection mechanism indicates the accessibility status of templates (if known); and
(b) Prominence: Any accessible template options are at least as prominent as other template options.
GL41. MINOR: Indicators during template selection. Re "B.2.5.4 Template Selection Mechanism", would you really recommend listing entries like "slide show template - wcagA"? If you want to recommend something, wouldn't "slide show template (WCAG A)" be more acceptable to users and software designers? The examples might also be more acceptable to designers and developers if you show their mainstream uses, such as also showing which templates are available in multiple languages, whether they're suitable for small screens, etc.
AUWG: @@update
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Jeanne F Spellman | Concern (see comment) | This does not appear to be addressed. |
Alex Li | ||
Jan Richards | Concern (see comment) | AUWG: Agreed. Reworded as: Accessibility status included in template names/descriptions: In a wiki system, creating a new page brings up a list of available templates. Each template is only displayed as a name and a short description. When the developer has ensured the accessibility of a template, this is indicated by the template name (e.g. "slide show template (accessible)") and/or information in the description ("This template meets WCAG 2.0 Level A as provided and should result in an accessible page, if accessible authoring practices are followed."). |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | |
Cherie Ekholm | ||
Frederick Boland | ||
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
B.3.2 Ensure that features of the authoring tool supporting the production of accessible content are available.
B.3.2.3 Deactivation Warning: If authors turn off an accessible content support feature, then the authoring tool informs them that this may increase the risk of content accessibility problems.
WCAGWG27: B.3.2.3 Deactivation Warning: Consider promoting this SC to Level A.
AUWG: Moved to AA. [ADDRESSED]
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Jeanne F Spellman | ||
Alex Li | ||
Jan Richards | No Comment | |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | |
Cherie Ekholm | ||
Frederick Boland | ||
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
B.3.2 Ensure that features of the authoring tool supporting the production of accessible content are available.
B.3.2.4 At Least as Prominent: Accessible content support features are at least as prominent as comparable features related to other types of web content problems (e.g., invalid markup, syntax errors, spelling and grammar errors).
MS57: B.3.2.4 “Comparable” is not testable. Please revise SC.
AUWG: We believe comparable is legitimate given the examples listed: B.4.1.4 Feature Prominence: Accessible content support features are at least as prominent as comparable features related to other types of web content problems (e.g. invalid markup, syntax errors, spelling and grammar errors)[ADDRESSED]
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Jeanne F Spellman | ||
Alex Li | Concern (see comment) | The comment is that comparable is not testable--ie if you ask multiple people what's comparable you get multiple answers. The comment did not say that it is not legitimate. |
Jan Richards | No Comment | |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | |
Cherie Ekholm | No Comment | |
Frederick Boland | ||
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
B.3.2 Ensure that features of the authoring tool supporting the production of accessible content are available.
B.3.2.4 At Least as Prominent: Accessible content support features are at least as prominent as comparable features related to other types of web content problems (e.g., invalid markup, syntax errors, spelling and grammar errors).
MS58: B.3.2.4 “Other types of web content problems” has no definition and, thus, there is no way to determine if the SC is met. Please replace “other types of web content problems” with something more precise.
AUWG: This wording is clarified sufficiently by the examples ("(e.g. invalid markup, syntax errors, spelling and grammar errors)"). [ADDRESSED]
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Jeanne F Spellman | ||
Alex Li | Concern (see comment) | As with comparable, "other types of web content problems" is untestable because there will always be people thinking something else as another type of "web content problem". Substantial revision needed. |
Jan Richards | No Comment | |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | |
Cherie Ekholm | No Comment | |
Frederick Boland | ||
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
B.3.2 Ensure that features of the authoring tool supporting the production of accessible content are available.
B.3.2.4 At Least as Prominent: Accessible content support features are at least as prominent as comparable features related to other types of web content problems (e.g., invalid markup, syntax errors, spelling and grammar errors).
GL19. MEDIUM: User should be allowed to override B.3.2.4 At Least As Prominent. Re "B.3.2.4 At Least as Prominent: Accessible content support features are at least as prominent as comparable features related to other types of web content problems (e.g., invalid markup, syntax errors, spelling and grammar errors). (Level AA)" is an example of a success criterion that should acknowledge that this refers to the default user interface, but that the user can be allowed to override these defaults.
AUWG: The Developer control Conformance Applicability Note covers this.[ADDRESSED]
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Jeanne F Spellman | ||
Alex Li | No Comment | |
Jan Richards | No Comment | |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | |
Cherie Ekholm | No Comment | |
Frederick Boland | ||
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
B.3.2 Ensure that features of the authoring tool supporting the production of accessible content are available.
B.3.2.4 At Least as Prominent: Accessible content support features are at least as prominent as comparable features related to other types of web content problems (e.g., invalid markup, syntax errors, spelling and grammar errors).
OC31: -B3.2.4 – Because there are a variety of prominence levels for the examples given it will be very subjective which to choose. How we would highlight markup is very different from a spelling issue. This makes the item very subjective and hard to test.
AUWG: We agree that it is difficult to test, but most people would agree that a spell checker that underlines words in text has a much higher prominence than an accessibility utility that is activated from a third-level menu item.[ADDRESSED]
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Jeanne F Spellman | ||
Alex Li | Concern (see comment) | This SC has very substantial problem with testability. |
Jan Richards | No Comment | |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | |
Cherie Ekholm | No Comment | |
Frederick Boland | ||
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
B.3.4 Ensure that any authoring practices demonstrated in documentation are accessible.
B.3.4.2 Model Accessible Practice (WCAG Level AA): A range of examples in the documentation (e.g., markup, screen shots of WYSIWYG editing views) demonstrate WCAG 2.0 Level AA accessible authoring practices.
MS59: B.3.4.1 What counts as a range? Two or more? Please remove “A range of” from the SC
AUWG: Yes two or more is the minimum. But the term range was selected because it also indicates that the spirit of the requirement is to provide more than that. [ADDRESSED]
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Jeanne F Spellman | ||
Alex Li | No Comment | |
Jan Richards | No Comment | |
Alessandro Miele | No Comment | |
Cherie Ekholm | Concern (see comment) | If you mean "two or more", please say "two or more". |
Frederick Boland | ||
Roberto Scano | No Comment |
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