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20:12:35 <chrisf> partition that which is in 007 between team and what goes in 019
20:19:07 <chrisf> d-ag002 The Web Service Architecture must enable reliable, stable and manageable web services
20:25:14 <chrisf> zulah: let's iterate twice, once for team, once for 019
20:29:45 <chrisf> take hao's 7.1.2 and put into ac005
20:37:31 <chrisf> d-ac007.2 The reference architecture is stable and evolves over time
20:38:10 <Kreger> i'm taking notes too...'
20:38:37 <chrisf> two sets of fingers better than one:)
20:43:28 <Kreger> The reference architecture has stable conceptual models, definitions, assumptions, and scope.
20:46:00 <Kreger> The reference architecture has a well defined versioning policy for the architecture.
20:46:57 <Kreger> The reference architecture is governed a well defined versioning policy.
20:47:14 <Kreger> that was 7.2.2
20:48:35 <Kreger> 7.2.3 Newer versions should be compatible with older versions.
20:49:13 <Kreger> Heres the new 7.2:
20:49:15 <Kreger> 7.2 The reference architecture is stable and evolves over time
20:49:16 <Kreger> 7.2.1 The reference architecture has stable conceptual models, definitions, assumptions, and scopes.
20:49:16 <Kreger> 7.2.2 The reference architecture is governed a well defined versioning policy.
20:49:16 <Kreger>  7.2.3 Newer versions should be compatible with older versions.
20:57:15 <Kreger> Suresh's list:
20:57:15 <Kreger> AC007.1 goes to AC0019 (restatement of AC0019, and now goes away)
20:57:15 <Kreger> AC007.1.1 is now part of AC005 for architecture. No need to move to 19.
20:57:15 <Kreger> AC007.1.2 is covered by AC008
20:57:15 <Kreger> 	1.3 is covered by AC005.9, 5.10
21:00:49 <chrisf> take suresh's D-AR007.2.1 When a component within the WSA changes, the
21:00:50 <chrisf> change is precisely identified, and the changed WSA is reliable.
21:01:07 <chrisf> and add it as a sub bullet of 7.2.3 above
21:07:40 <chrisf> rrsagent, where am i
21:07:40 <chrisf> I'm logging. I don't understand 'where am i', chrisf.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
21:07:57 <chrisf> rrsagent, where am i?
21:07:57 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2002/06/18-ws-arch-irc#T21-07-57
21:08:10 <Kreger> Complete copy of Heather's notes:
21:08:13 <Kreger> RTF Call Notes
21:08:13 <Kreger> Split 007 into team goals and web service goals
21:08:13 <Kreger> Review AG002
21:08:13 <Kreger> 	Is it manageable? Or measurable?  Measurability is subgoal of manageability. Remove creation and execution. Architecture is two steps to removed from implementation.
21:08:13 <Kreger> AG002: The Web Service Architecture must enable reliable, stable, and manageable web services.
21:08:17 <Kreger> 	So now AC0018 must be expanded to manageable with AR's and AC's for it.
21:08:18 <Kreger> Starting from Hao's list:
21:08:21 <Kreger> 7.1 ok
21:08:23 <Kreger> 7.1.1 covered by ac008, remove
21:08:26 <Kreger> Move: to AC005
21:08:27 <Kreger> 7.1.2 The reference architecture is precisely defined without ambiguity
21:08:29 <Kreger> 7.1.2.1 using s
21:12:15 <Kreger> 7.1.2.1 using standard definition languages whenever applicable and
21:12:15 <Kreger> available
21:12:15 <Kreger>  7.1.2.2 using standard terms, and clearly defined new terms
21:12:15 <Kreger> 7.1.3 covered by ac0012, remove. Submit 7.1.3 to be merged into AC012.5 or following AC012.7.
21:12:15 <Kreger> 7.2 The reference architecture is stable and evolves over time
21:12:17 <Kreger> 7.2.1 The reference architecture has stable conceptual models, definitions, assumptions, and scopes.
21:12:19 <Kreger> 7.2.2 The reference architecture is governed a well defined versioning policy.
21:12:23 <Kreger>  7.2.3 Newer versions should be compatible with older versions.
21:12:25 <Kreger> 	7.2.3.1 When a component within the WSA chang
21:12:36 <Kreger> changes, the
21:12:36 <Kreger> change is precisely identified, and the changed WSA is reliable.
21:12:36 <Kreger> 7.2.3.2 The assumptions behind a change in the component,
21:12:36 <Kreger> and its scope must be clearly stated.
21:12:54 <Kreger> Suresh's list:
21:12:55 <Kreger> AR007.1 goes to AC0019 (restatement of AC0019, and now goes away)
21:12:55 <Kreger> AR007.1.1 is now part of AC005 for architecture. No need to move to 19.
21:12:55 <Kreger> AR007.1.2 is covered by AC008
21:12:55 <Kreger> AR007.1.3 is covered by AC005.9, 5.10
21:12:55 <Kreger> AR007.1.4 is out of scope. 
21:13:04 <Kreger> AC007.2 goes to AC0019 (restatement of AC0019, and now goes away)
21:13:05 <Kreger> AC007.2.1 - goes to 7.2.3.1
21:13:05 <Kreger> AC007.2.2 - covered in new 7, need to add versioning to 19
21:13:05 <Kreger> AC007.2.3 - covered in new 7, out of scope for 19
21:13:18 <Kreger> Suresh will send out notes and propose wording for versioning for 19.
21:13:19 <Kreger> Heather and Zulah will work on wording for 18
21:13:19 <Kreger> We will review 18,19 next week.
21:13:19 <Kreger> Will review 002, 007 on Thursday at WG call.
21:13:37 <Kreger> whew!
21:13:48 <Kreger> still there?
21:18:58 <chrisf> yup