IRC log of webont on 2002-06-13
Timestamps are in UTC.
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- 15:49:36 [heflin]
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- Hi Dan
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- 15:51:01 [DanCon]
- wow... IRC works from italy, Jim?
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- 15:54:01 [jhendler]
- dan - where you been, we've been ircing and chumping on rdfig for a couple of days
- 15:54:48 [DanCon]
- do you expect to have IRC and phone during the telcon?
- 15:55:08 [jhendler]
- what is good is that we've set it up so we can irc and still call
- 15:55:18 [jhendler]
- yup
- 15:55:45 [jhendler]
- there may be delayes in the chat - don't count on it being real-time - we get occasional "block outs" for a few minutes
- 15:58:01 [jhendler]
- dan - weird phone problem - Ian's phone provided thinks "#" means end call, and we cannot do the code for zakim - is there another way to solve this?
- 15:58:08 [Zakim]
- SW_WebOnt()12:00PM has now started
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- +John.Stanton
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- + +1.484.892.aaaa
- 15:59:22 [jhendler]
- zakim, aaaa is jeffH
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- +JeffH; got it
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- +NickG
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- +??P31
- 16:00:23 [DanCon]
- er... dunno about # problem, Jim
- 16:00:43 [Zakim]
- +Marwan.Sabbouh
- 16:01:01 [jhendler]
- thanks - we're going to try direct call (bridge says one can use *0 for an operator, but it isn't working)
- 16:01:36 [Zakim]
- +DanC
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- +M.Smith
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- -M.Smith
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- +Evan.Wallace
- 16:02:52 [Zakim]
- +??P35
- 16:03:17 [jhendler]
- iswc group having trouble - cannot figure it out yet - will keep trying
- 16:03:19 [Zakim]
- +??P0
- 16:03:22 [Zakim]
- +M.Smith
- 16:03:25 [DanCon]
- Zakim, who's here?
- 16:03:27 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see John.Stanton, JeffH, NickG, ??P31, Marwan.Sabbouh, DanC, Evan.Wallace, ??P35, ??P0, M.Smith
- 16:03:28 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see nmg, pfps, jhendler, heflin, RRSAgent, Zakim, DanCon, logger_1
- 16:04:15 [jhendler]
- zakim, who is here uniquely
- 16:04:17 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'who is here uniquely', jhendler. Try /msg Zakim help
- 16:06:02 [jhendler]
- we are on holdwaiting for an operator at MIT - have been for a while - music is awful
- 16:06:10 [jhendler]
- DanC anyone we can ping?
- 16:06:13 [DanCon]
- MIT operator? how did you get that far?
- 16:06:18 [DanCon]
- oh; I guess I see.
- 16:06:49 [Zakim]
- +??P1
- 16:06:54 [pfps]
- its ok now
- 16:07:17 [DanCon]
- Zakim, ??P1 is ISWC
- 16:07:19 [Zakim]
- +ISWC; got it
- 16:07:33 [DanCon]
- Zakim, ISWC holds JimH, IanH, PeterPS, Guus, DebM, MikeD
- 16:07:34 [jhendler]
- zakim, ISWC has guus, jim, deb, mike, ian and peter
- 16:07:34 [Zakim]
- +JimH, IanH, PeterPS, Guus, DebM, MikeD; got it
- 16:07:36 [Zakim]
- +Guus, Jim, Deb, Mike, Ian, Peter; got it
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- + +1.781.271.aabb
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- 16:08:35 [DanCon]
- Zakim, where is 781?
- 16:08:36 [Zakim]
- North American dialing code 1.781 is Massachusetts
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- +??P5
- 16:08:47 [jhendler]
- regrets from Ruediker, frank, davidT, and jeremy C (who is on the beach)
- 16:08:51 [DanCon]
- Zakim, who's here?
- 16:08:52 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see John.Stanton, JeffH, NickG, ??P31, Marwan.Sabbouh, DanC, Evan.Wallace, ??P35, ??P0, M.Smith, ISWC, +1.781.271.aabb, ??P5
- 16:08:54 [Zakim]
- ISWC has Guus, Jim, Deb, Mike, Ian, Peter
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- On IRC I see mdean, libby, nmg, pfps, jhendler, heflin, RRSAgent, Zakim, DanCon, logger_1
- 16:09:36 [Zakim]
- -John.Stanton
- 16:09:40 [DanCon]
- Zakim, DeRoo, Eschelman, Buswell, Obrst are here too.
- 16:09:43 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'DeRoo, Eschelman, Buswell, Obrst are here too.', DanCon. Try /msg Zakim help
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- I'm here...
- 16:10:02 [Zakim]
- +John.Stanton
- 16:10:22 [DanCon]
- 1.1 scribe: Hefflin volunteered in 6Jun telcon
- 16:10:40 [heflin]
- 1.3 review minutes
- 16:11:07 [DanCon]
- pls add 1.x ftf update
- 16:11:09 [Zakim]
- +??P7
- 16:11:10 [Zakim]
- + +1.850.202.aacc - is perhaps PatH?
- 16:11:31 [heflin]
- ter Horst just joined
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- 1.5 Action continued. Jeremy Carroll access pending
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- 1.6 continued?
- 16:13:14 [heflin]
- 1.7 Next Meeting: Chaired by Guus
- 16:13:16 [jhendler]
- JimH and Guus will release f2f agenda in near future - hope to do it in both RDF and English
- 16:13:24 [heflin]
- Scribe will be Larry Eschelman
- 16:13:32 [DanCon]
- 18. ftf update.
- 16:13:34 [DeborahMc]
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- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/WebOnt/ftf3.html
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- 16:14:06 [heflin]
- many regrets. 11 not registered yet
- 16:14:24 [DanCon]
- phayes2. hmm.
- 16:14:34 [Zakim]
- +??P6
- 16:14:44 [heflin]
- phayes: will be present at F2F
- 16:15:43 [heflin]
- Guus: telecon on 2nd day
- 16:15:58 [pfps]
- telecon 9am (to 9:45 or so) PDT
- 16:15:58 [heflin]
- Danc: on to Issues
- 16:16:06 [jhendler]
- telecon at 9AM Pacific time - second day of f2f
- 16:16:12 [DanCon]
- http://www.w3.org/2000/11/msm/showv.php3?wgid=30310&qno=n5.11
- 16:16:18 [heflin]
- 2.1 hasClass/toClass
- 16:16:26 [DanCon]
- clear preference for allValuesFrom, someValuesFrom
- 16:17:23 [DanCon]
- RESOLVED: allValuesFrom, someValuesFrom
- 16:17:48 [heflin]
- Issues 4.1 UniqueProp, 3.4 UnambiguousProp
- 16:18:59 [heflin]
- hayes: doesn't like 1tomany, manyto1. Less readable in subject property object style
- 16:19:14 [heflin]
- hayes: prefers hasOnlyOne, IsTheOnlyOne
- 16:19:30 [jhendler]
- isn't 1tomany illegal XML
- 16:20:04 [heflin]
- sorry shorthand: oneToMany is what the proposal is
- 16:20:24 [heflin]
- dean: current names are terrible
- 16:20:40 [heflin]
- Ian: proposes that we leave it longer
- 16:20:52 [heflin]
- DanC: Leave issue open
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- Agenda Item 3: Documents
- 16:21:19 [heflin]
- 3.1 Compliance Level 1
- 16:21:33 [heflin]
- deb: had meeting in Sardinia
- 16:22:19 [heflin]
- Had trouble hearing Deb's points. Can someone transcribe to log?
- 16:22:59 [DanCon]
- DEB!
- 16:24:01 [heflin]
- Deb: will be available in two days
- 16:24:05 [jhendler]
- Deb says - 1) One document called "feature review" that contains all language features in a short synopsis
- 16:24:27 [jhendler]
- that document asap, but not by Monday
- 16:24:36 [heflin]
- folks are willing to review document in only one week
- 16:24:54 [Zakim]
- +Jonathan.Borden
- 16:25:16 [jhendler]
- Deb says 2) proposed level change is to change cardinality to be a bit simpler, but rest like her document
- 16:25:27 [jhendler]
- possible names "owl lite" and "owl"
- 16:25:50 [DanCon]
- 17Jun + 1 week = 24 Jun, which is one week prior to the ftf, 1-2Jun.
- 16:26:21 [heflin]
- debc: where to draw the line? reduced cardinality.
- 16:26:28 [jhendler]
- 3) pfps/ian will do a document called "formal specification" which is the abst syntax document
- 16:26:29 [DanCon]
- nifty. (cardinality 0/1)
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- 4) mike dean to do OWL reference document (syntax)
- 16:27:17 [heflin]
- debc: compliance level 1 not called feature synopsis
- 16:27:23 [DanCon]
- == 3.2 DAML+OIL update
- 16:27:43 [heflin]
- s/debc/deb
- 16:27:44 [DanCon]
- "OWL Syntax synopsis"
- 16:27:48 [DanCon]
- MikeD to edit.
- 16:28:08 [DanCon]
- not clear what the name/title is
- 16:28:38 [DanCon]
- MikeD: 17Jun is likely.
- 16:28:47 [DanCon]
- == 3.3 Feature Synopsis of the OWL Ontology Language
- 16:28:55 [jhendler]
- we used name ofthat document "OWL v 1.0 Reference Document" on last week's telecon, assume that is still what this is
- 16:29:42 [DanCon]
- Peter: this is now just "abstract syntax"
- 16:30:48 [heflin]
- Peter: Final version available Jun 17
- 16:30:52 [DanCon]
- ACTION PeterPS: "abstract syntax" draft for ftf 17Jun.
- 16:31:34 [heflin]
- terHorst: Has already reviewed as well
- 16:31:49 [DanCon]
- what's in the agenda as an action on Jos should be HermanT: review feature synopsis. pretty much done.
- 16:32:08 [heflin]
- Peter: believes one outstanding issue with ter Horst review
- 16:32:22 [heflin]
- 3.4 Requirements Documents
- 16:32:29 [jhendler]
- JimH agreed to review that document
- 16:32:36 [heflin]
- available for review
- 16:32:55 [DanCon]
- ACTION JimH and DanC will review as well.
- 16:33:01 [jhendler]
- DanC said he would review if (and only if) it contained a diff.
- 16:33:08 [DanCon]
- ACTION PatH: to review requirements
- 16:33:13 [DanCon]
- ACTION Welty to review.
- 16:33:39 [DanCon]
- == 3.5 XML Presentation Syntax
- 16:34:16 [DanCon]
- PeterPS: I've seen a few comments... from De Roo, Borden.
- 16:34:44 [heflin]
- Borden: clarifying concern about rdf:ID as a qname
- 16:34:47 [DanCon]
- Borden: rdf:ID="xsd:integer" <- rdf:IDs don't take qnames.
- 16:35:11 [heflin]
- Borden: Please use something other than rdf:ID
- 16:36:03 [heflin]
- jim: document cannot be incompatible with published standards before working draft status
- 16:37:49 [heflin]
- Borden: 1) need to do a good syntax. 2) when reusing a name, must use it as it was used before
- 16:38:47 [DanCon]
- ACTION JeffH to review continues. pending "actual syntax" draft.
- 16:38:57 [DanCon]
- ACTION RaphaelV to review continues.
- 16:38:57 [jhendler]
- zakim, iswc also contains raphael
- 16:39:00 [Zakim]
- +Raphael; got it
- 16:39:00 [heflin]
- hayes: call it pps:id or something not rdf:id
- 16:39:30 [DanCon]
- ACTION PeterPS: draft for ftf Monday, 17Jun.
- 16:40:01 [Zakim]
- -??P5
- 16:40:02 [DanCon]
- ---- AOB
- 16:40:05 [heflin]
- Evan: UML Presentation Syntax
- 16:40:11 [heflin]
- Evan: version done by June 24
- 16:40:25 [heflin]
- ACTION: Evan: Presentation Syntax by 24 June
- 16:41:21 [heflin]
- Hendler: Propose topic for F2F to Hendler or Guus by Monday morning
- 16:42:38 [DanCon]
- --- ISWC update
- 16:42:44 [DanCon]
- PFPS won best paper.
- 16:44:02 [Zakim]
- -M.Smith
- 16:44:12 [DanCon]
- Fla Oct 2003 <- where/when for next ISWC. suggestion.
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- -Marwan.Sabbouh
- 16:44:52 [Zakim]
- -Evan.Wallace
- 16:44:53 [Zakim]
- -??P35
- 16:44:55 [Zakim]
- -??P0
- 16:44:56 [Zakim]
- -??P31
- 16:44:57 [Zakim]
- -John.Stanton
- 16:44:58 [Zakim]
- -PatH?
- 16:44:58 [heflin]
- Meeting Adjourned
- 16:45:01 [Zakim]
- -??P6
- 16:45:01 [Zakim]
- -NickG
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- -??P7
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- -ISWC
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- -DanC
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- - +1.781.271.aabb
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- -JeffH
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- -Jonathan.Borden
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- 16:47:09 [DanCon]
- logger_1, pointer?
- 16:47:10 [logger_1]
- See http://ilrt.org/discovery/chatlogs/webont/2002-06-13#T16-47-09
- 16:47:14 [DanCon]
- RRSAgent, pointer?
- 16:47:14 [RRSAgent]
- See http://www.w3.org/2002/06/13-webont-irc#T16-47-14
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