Minutes derived from IRC log
1. Roll
Present 12/10
BEA Systems, Mark Nottingham
IBM, John Ibbotson
IBM, Noah Mendelsohn
IBM, David Fallside
IONA Technologies, Suresh Kodichath
Microsoft Corporation, Martin Gudgin
Nokia, Michael Mahan
Oracle, Anish Karmarkar
SAP AG, Volker Wiechers
SeeBeyond, Pete Wenzel
Sun Microsystems, Tony Graham
W3C, Yves Lafon
Excused
BEA Systems, David Orchard
Microsoft Corporation, Jeff Schlimmer
Oracle, Jeff Mischkinsky
SAP AG, Gerd Hoelzing
Sun Microsystems, Marc Hadley
Regrets
Canon, Jean-Jacques Moreau
Canon, Herve Ruellan
2. Agenda review and AOB
[scribe] chair: there are some bits and pieces from last week
[scribe] chair: also a list of some new issues
[scribe] chair: 488 and 489 comments from WS-Description WG
[scribe] chair: LC ended yesterday
3. Approval of 23 June 2004 minutes - postponed.
4. Action items
Changes to status of action items published in agenda.
[scribe] Gudge – mail sent on Content-ID http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xmlp-comments/2004Jun/0021.html
[scribe] Gudge – not recorded
[scribe] chair – Yves, is this in queue. Send comments about the resolution of this is not recorded in
[scribe] chair – MTOM spec to xmlp-comments and commentator.
[scribe] Yves – added an AI
ACTION: Yves to check whether Gudges comment on ContentID in MTOM has made it onto the issues list.
[scribe] Tony joined in
[scribe] chair – review of action items
[scribe] chair – missing action items for the editors to incorporate resolutions to issues 474, 475, and 477
[scribe] chair – editors to incorporate these changes
[scribe] Gudge – added AI’s
ACTION: Editors to incorporate resolution to Issue 474
ACTION: Editors to incorporate resolution to Issue 475
ACTION: Editors to incorporate resolution to Issue 477
[scribe] chair – Item 4 are more of administrative ones
[scribe] chair – 470 done. 418 done. Any status on others
[scribe] Yves – in progress
[scribe] Yves – 18,24,26,23 done
[scribe] chair – Nilo scheduled primer on June 26th is delayed.
5. Status reports and misc
[scribe] mark – waiting for publication. RFC’s published. SOAP media type XOP media type is embedded in the
[scribe] mark – draft, waiting for it to be published
[scribe] chair – when will it be published ?
[scribe] mark – possibly today but not sure
[scribe] anish - XMLP/WSD Task Force and WSDL Media Type document – nothing to report
[scribe] chair – primitive review postponed
6. Attachments
[scribe] chair – issue 475, to accept the amendment, looks ok.
[scribe] mike – this is a good idea and we agree
[scribe] char – can somebody add a AI
[scribe] Gudge – I am doing it
ACTION 3 = Editors to incorporate resolution to Issue 475 ( to include friendly amendment from Jacek,
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xmlp-comments/2004Jun/0036.html )
ACTION: MikeM to send e-mail to Jacek and xmlp-comment regarding our acceptance of his friendly amendment to the resulution of 475.
[scribe] chair – 479 has six parts - want to look into it before closing it
[scribe] anish – part 1 is done
[scribe] gudge – said OK, any other comments …
[scribe] noah – I am perfectly happy because of Gudge’s comments
[scribe] gudge – “excepted” to “designed”
[scribe] noah – is designed to be usable – I certainly wouldn’t do it
[scribe] gudge - not required
[scribe] noah – you should be using representation hdr. Btw
[scribe] anish – representation hdr is expected to be used but not required
[scribe] anish – representation hdr. Is designed to optimize well when used with soap mtom
[scribe] chair – 2 sentences
more details on this in IRC log
ACTION: Anish to incorporate resolution of 479 pt1 ( with some variation of amendments discussed in IRC log )
[scribe] chair – part 2
[scribe] yves – did it. Text from IRC. Agreed
[scribe] chair – edited the doc directly
[scribe] yves – editors copy
[scribe] chair – so the same as listed in the agenda
[scribe] chair – part 3 comments on this
[scribe] gudge – URI’s to the feature and to the module should be the same
[scribe] chair – the title should be "SOAP Resource Representation Header" – any comments
[scribe] chair – no comments – agreed!.
ACTION: editor to make changes proposed by ANish for 479.3 (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-dist-app/2004Jun/0057.html)
and change title to Resource Representation SOAP Header Block"
[scribe] chair – part 4 – Gudge has AI
[scribe] gudge – what AI
[scribe] gudge – done. Schema, replacement section for 2.2.1 and 2.2.4 were sent
[scribe] anish – what is the change for text ?
[scribe] gudge – 2.2.1 - 2 things about attributes and element
2.2.4 attributes and last paragraph corrected
[scribe] anish – Any process contents should be lax
[scribe] gudge – yes you are right
[scribe] chair – other comments or more time to study this ?
[scribe] chair – decision to be made if no comments
[scribe] chair – postponed decision till next week on this
[scribe] chair – Anish to send email including Gudge’s comments
[scribe] chair – part 5 – AI done
[scribe] yves –small line notational changes
[scribe] chair – comments ? sound about right ?
[scribe] gudge – sounds right to me
[scribe] chair – we will take that
ACTION: yves to implement his proposal for part5 issue 479
[scribe] chair – part 5 – done – we agreed with commentator
[scribe] yves – yes will do it with gudge’s schema
[scribe] anish – there is an additional from Jacek. Base64 eg. Should be without
[scribe] yves – fixing it now
[scribe] chair – this is LC on this
[scribe] yves – will reply on all parts
[scribe] chair – par 4 is not yet done
[scribe] anish – 480
[scribe] chair – can send comments on 480
[scribe] chair – 480 and 485 are marked as editorial – new issues. Are u ok with editor’s resolving this ?
[scribe] chair – 480 and 485 will be handled by editor’s
ACTION: Editors to incorporate resolution and send mail to xmlp-comments and commentators for issue 484 and 485
ACTION: yves to send response to jacek in reponse to his 480 resolution response, re whitespace in examples;
we agree w/ jacek's suggestion
[scribe] chair – 488
[scribe] anish – we can close this as part of part 3
[scribe] chair – proposal to close 488 by telling the WSD WG that we are making the Representation Header a module,
[scribe] chair – and has a identifying URI, and point to it. Closed.
ACTION: send closing text for issue 488 to xmlp-comment and wsd WG
ACTION: Anish to send mail to WS-Desc and xmlpcomments closing 488
[scribe] chair - 489
[scribe] chair – comments on to resolve this by 1. go back to WSD asking for motivation on this 2. do nothing 3. exclude anything from
XOP namespace
[scribe] chair – proposes to resolve by doing nothing. Doesn’t make the 80-20 cut – no objections
ACTION: JohnI to send e-mail to WSDesc/Jacek and xmlp-comments closing 489
[scribe] chair – 481
[scribe] chair – resolved by doing nothing – no objections
ACTION: MarkN to write a response to commentator and xmlp-comments closing issue 481
[scribe] chair – few more issues dribbling to next week
[scribe] chair – finish LC issues by end of next week
[scribe] chair – anticipate specs with the resolutions
[scribe] Meeting adjourned.
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Almost RAW IRC LOG:
[Yves] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xmlp-comments/2004Jun/0021.html
[Gudge] ACTION: Yves to check whether Gudges comment on ContentID in MTOM has made it onto the issues list.
[Gudge] ACTION: Editors to incorporate resolution to Issue 474
[Gudge] ACTION: Editors to incorporate resolution to Issue 477
[mnot] http://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/application/
[Gudge] ACTION 3 = Editors to incorporate resolution to Issue 475 ( to include friendly amendment from Jacek, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xmlp-comments/2004Jun/0036.html )
[Gudge] ACTION: MikeM to send e-mail to Jacek and xmlp-comment regarding our acceptance of his friendly amendment to the resulution of 475.
[Gudge] Anish's proposal is at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-dist-app/2004Jun/0056.html
[davidF] This document has been produced in conjunction with the development of
[davidF] requirements, embodied in the requirements document [UCR REF] and the
[davidF] specification described herein fulfills some of those requirements.
[davidF] This document defines a SOAP Feature, and a SOAP Module that realizes
[davidF] the SOAP
[davidF] Feature, as specified by SOAP 1.2 [ref to section 3.1 SOAP 1.2 part 1]
[davidF] [ref to section 3.3 SOAP 1.2 part 1].
[davidF] The Resource Representation header is expected, but not required, to be
[davidF] used in conjunction with the SOAP Message Transmission Optimization
[davidF] Mechanism
[davidF] specification [ref to MTOM] and the Assigning Media Types to Binary Data
[davidF] in XML
[davidF] specification [ref to media-types doc].
[Gudge] NOah: The Resource Representation header is designed to optimize well when used with the SOAP Message Transmission Optimization mechanism.
[Gudge] Noah's proposal: Note: The Resource Representation header is designed to optimize well when used with the SOAP Message Transmission Optimization Mechanism.
[davidF] The Resource Representation header is expected, but not required, to be
[davidF] used in conjunction with the SOAP Message Transmission Optimization
[davidF] Mechanism
[davidF] specification [ref to MTOM] and the Assigning Media Types to Binary Data
[davidF] in XML
[davidF] specification [ref to media-types doc].
[Gudge] Noah: The Resource Representation header is designed, but not required, to be
[Gudge] used in conjunction with
[Gudge] and the Assigning Media Types to Binary Data
[Gudge] in XML
[Gudge] specification [ref to media-types doc].
[Gudge] ACTION: Anish to incorporate resolution of 479 pt1 ( with some variation of amendments discussed in IRC log )
[Yves] The Representation header block is also useful when multiple references to the same resource are required but duplication of the resource is undesirable.
[anish] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-dist-app/2004Jun/0057.html
[davidF] this email reads .....
[davidF] 1) Insert a new section:
[davidF] --8<--
[davidF] 2. SOAP Feature Name
[davidF] The Resource Representation header block defined by this document
[davidF] embodies the SOAP feature [ref to section 3.1, SOAP 1.2 part 1] [ref to
[davidF] section 2, SOAP 1.2 part 1] identified by the URI
[davidF] * "http://www.w3.org/2004/02/representation"
[davidF] The above SOAP feature URI can be used to identify the semantics and
[davidF] serialization of the Resource Representation header block.
[davidF] -->8--
[davidF] 2) Insert a new section:
[davidF] --8<--
[davidF] 3. SOAP Module Name
[davidF] The SOAP Module [ref to section 3.3, SOAP 1.2 part 1] that realizes the
[davidF] SOAP feature defined in [ref to section 2 of this spec] is identified by
[davidF] the URI
[davidF] * "http://www.w3.org/2004/02/representation"
[davidF] The above SOAP Module URI can be used to identify the semantics and
[davidF] serialization of the Resource Representation header block.
[davidF] -->8--
[davidF] Please note that the URIs used to identify the feature and module are
[davidF] the same as the header block namespace URI. This was done because the
[davidF] module refers to only one header block and realizes only one feature.
[davidF] The feature also refers to only one header block. Is there a particular
[davidF] reason to make the URIs different from the namespace URI (and each
[davidF] other)? How we define the URIs will probably create a precedence.
[davidF] 3) We should also consider changing the title of the document from:
[davidF] "SOAP Resource Representation Header"
[davidF] to:
[davidF] "SOAP Resource Representation Header Block"
[davidF] Or to:
[davidF] "SOAP Resource Representation {Module|Feature}"
[davidF] <end_of_text>
[Yves] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-dist-app/2004Jun/0059.html
[davidF] ACTION: editor to make changes proposed by ANish for 479.3 (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-dist-app/2004Jun/0057.html) and change title to Resource Representation SOAP Header Block"
[Yves] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-dist-app/2004Jun/0058.html
[anish] ACTION: yves to implement his proposal for part5 issue 479
[Yves] http://www.w3.org/2000/xp/Group/3/06/Attachments/Representation.html
[Gudge] ACTION: Editors to incorporate resolution and send mail to xmlp-comments and commentators for issue 484 and 485
[davidF] ACTION: yves to send response to jacek in reponse to his 480 resolution response, re whitespace in examples; we agree w/ jacek's suggestion
[anish] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xmlp-comments/2004Jun/0035.html
[anish] ACTION: send closing text for issue 488 to xmlp-comment and wsd WG
[Gudge] ACTION: Anish to send mail to WS-Desc and xmlpcomments closing 488
[Yves] ACTION -11
[Gudge] ACTION: JohnI to send e-mail to WSDesc/Jacek and xmlp-comments closing 489
[Gudge] ACTION: MarkN to write a response to commentator and xmlp-comments closing issue 481
[Zakim] Attendees were +44.196.281.aaaa, M.Mahan, Gudge, Anish, Yves, Noah, +1.781.902.aabb, Mark_Nottingham, David_Fallside, +1.781.902.aacc, +aadd
[RRSAgent] I see 13 open action items:
[RRSAgent] ACTION: Yves to check whether Gudges comment on ContentID in MTOM has made it onto the issues list. [1]
[RRSAgent] ACTION: Editors to incorporate resolution to Issue 474 [2]
[RRSAgent] ACTION: Editors to incorporate resolution to Issue 475 ( to include friendly amendment from Jacek, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xmlp-comments/2004Jun/0036.html ) [3]
[RRSAgent] ACTION: Editors to incorporate resolution to Issue 477 [4]
[RRSAgent] ACTION: MikeM to send e-mail to Jacek and xmlp-comment regarding our acceptance of his friendly amendment to the resulution of 475. [5]
[RRSAgent] ACTION: Anish to incorporate resolution of 479 pt1 ( with some variation of amendments discussed in IRC log ) [6]
[RRSAgent] ACTION: editor to make changes proposed by ANish for 479.3 (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-dist-app/2004Jun/0057.html) and change title to Resource Representation SOAP Header Block" [7]
[RRSAgent] ACTION: yves to implement his proposal for part5 issue 479 [8]
[RRSAgent] ACTION: Editors to incorporate resolution and send mail to xmlp-comments and commentators for issue 484 and 485 [9]
[RRSAgent] ACTION: yves to send response to jacek in reponse to his 480 resolution response, re whitespace in examples; we agree w/ jacek's suggestion [10]
[RRSAgent] ACTION: Anish to send mail to WS-Desc and xmlpcomments closing 488 [12]
[RRSAgent] ACTION: JohnI to send e-mail to WSDesc/Jacek and xmlp-comments closing 489 [13]
[RRSAgent] ACTION: MarkN to write a response to commentator and xmlp-comments closing issue 481 [14]
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